Moras: Eriksson vs. Frosts???

I found an English (UK) Site but it lacked any info on the knives themselves and a very limited selection of the other products.

I work in the Construction/Remodeling field and I see several of the Hultafors products that are interesting.

- What steel(s) are used on the knives?
- I see some Knife models that come in a "Piggy back" sheath (two knives in one sheath) but the website doesn't show which knives are together (or explain what they might be for).
- How is the Yxor different from other Axes?

Maybe you could send me an email and I will send some other questions your way? :thumbup:

Thanks in advance
 
Hillbillenigma said:
I found an English (UK) Site but it lacked any info on the knives themselves and a very limited selection of the other products.

I work in the Construction/Remodeling field and I see several of the Hultafors products that are interesting.

- What steel(s) are used on the knives?
- I see some Knife models that come in a "Piggy back" sheath (two knives in one sheath) but the website doesn't show which knives are together (or explain what they might be for).
- How is the Yxor different from other Axes?

Maybe you could send me an email and I will send some other questions your way? :thumbup:

Thanks in advance
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the steel used in the knives are not specified but i suppose its something similar to what frost/eriksson use (or exactly the same)

the piggyback sheets are used by "handymen" (carpenters, plumbers etc.) they have an old knife in one sheet used for prying/general abuse, and a new sharp one in the other. mora knives are very seldom sharpened in sweden, you just buy a new one since they´re so cheap. the dual sheets are available for all knives (most people tape 2 sheets together) and all combinations.

the axes are hand forged.
 
likehike,

You can't go wrong with either of your choices. I have several Frost's Mora Clippers and an Eriksson and they are among the best pure cutting knives I own. And at ~$10.00 for'em, you just can't go wrong.

When you think about it, they are easily some of the best bang-for-the-buck knives to be had. :)
 
M Wadel said:
btw have you tried these knives http://www.hultafors.se/ -----> knivar ----> hantverkarknivar. these are really nice, the sheets are better than kj erikssons and frosts, and they got rubber handles :thumbup: , what more could you ask for. they really feel good while using them, they are my new favorite "moras".
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OK, I've just received a mail from Pär Brask and his answer is as follows: "The blade steel in models from Frost's is 12C27. The steel in KJE is (indeed!) 12C27M. However, the name is not entirely correct. It should have been 11C29."

As far as trying the Hultafors knives. No, I haven't tried those yet. They look very useful to me. I have not found any info about the blade steel they use. However it says (at their home page) "Swedish Stainless" and it usually means Sandvik 12C27.

I will be back with more info on 12C27.

~Paul~
 
I was looking at the Hultafors website but i don't speak/read the lingo and babel fish can't translate it. Anybody know a free translation site that can handle Swedish?
 
dePaul said:
It should have been 11C29."
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yes you´re right, in "sandlingo" that equates to roughly 0.55C and 14.5Cr, me personally i like 12c27 and mod, at least for the intended use of the moras (abuse included :D), i wish more "budget manufacturers" would use that and 13c26. not that i would call the moras budget as in bad, they are of good and even quality.

we have many moras at work, which we sometimes use for knifethrowing competitions and other fun stuff, the strange thing is that we´ve only managed to break a few red handled carbon ones up to this point (the blades dont like concrete apparantly ;) ), i´m very happy so far with the performance of 12c27 +mod.


dePaul said:
However it says (at their home page) "Swedish Stainless" and it usually means Sandvik 12C27.
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yeah that seems to be the "default stainless" steel, its tried and proven so why not..
 
tholiver said:
I was looking at the Hultafors website but i don't speak/read the lingo and babel fish can't translate it. Anybody know a free translation site that can handle Swedish?
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i dont know man, try sending them an email saying why not launch an english site too. if they get enough of these they will know there is money to be made and will maybe launch an new one.

if anyone here from sweden were to translate (correctly and not leave anything out) it would probably take a pretty long time (and probably some knowledge). however i think hultafors should do this, i mean almost all sites can be read i english these days, why not this one.

i think they make good quality tools so its a loss for them imo.
 
dePaul said:
OK, I've just received a mail from Pär Brask and his answer is as follows: "The blade steel in models from Frost's is 12C27. The steel in KJE is (indeed!) 12C27M. However, the name is not entirely correct. It should have been 11C29."


~Paul~
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Close enough, 10C29 should be the real name for 12C27M (M for Modified).

Decoding the Sandvik knife steels is simple. Divide the first number by 20 to get the carbon content. Divide the last number with 2 to get Chromium content.

12C27 is 0.6% C and 13.5% Cr.
12C27M is 0.5% C and 14.5% Cr, so the real name should be 10C29.

12C27M was developed as a "12C27 that can stand a dishwasher", thats why it has the rather strande name of 12C27M (-odified).

Frost uses 12C27 and KJE uses 12C27M. They are two brands in the same company "Mora of Sweden" since only a couple of years or so.

I prefer 12C27 so I go with Frost, but they are both great deals.
 
"Hantverk" translates to something like Craftsman, Handyman, or Manual Laborer.

All knife descriptions share this blurb:
The handle and sheath are made from an extra impact-resistant plastic. Unique method of attaching the sheath to a button on the work clothes means it wont come loose, while it is easy to remove.​

Craftsman's Knife HVK
The blade is made of 2.5 mm carbon steel hardened to 58-60 HRC. The edge is sharpened in several stages and finished with a leather strop.​

Craftsman's Knife, RFR
The blade is made of 2.5 mm stainless steel hardened to 57-59 HRC. The edge is sharpened in several stages and finished with a leather strop. Craftsman's Knife RFR fits in the same sheath as HVK.​

Rough Knife GK
A knife with a tougher and more durable grind, for more demanding jobs. The edge is ground with double bevels and finished with a leather strop. The blade is 3 mm carbon steel hardened to 58-60 HRC. Rough Knife GK is a larger knife and therefor uses a larger sheath.​

Chisel Knife STK
Rough Knife with V-ground chisel function. The edge is ground with a double bevel and finished on a leather strop. The blade is 3 mm carbon steel hardened to 58-60 HRC. Chisel Knife STK fits in the same sheath as Rough Knife GK.​

Electrician's Knife ELK
The edge grinds and the handle are optimized for stripping wire. The blade is 1.5 mm carbon steel hardened to 58-60 HRC. * Available in a left-hand model.​

Painter's Knife MK
Knife with flat screwdriver and can-lid prying tool. The Blade is 2.5 mm carbon steel hardened to 58-60 HRC. The edge is ground in several stages and finished on a leather strip. Painter's Knife MK fits in the same sheath as HVK.​

VVS-knife
Matte chromed knife blade with a file. The blade is 2.5 mm carbon steel hardened to 58-60 HRC. The edge is ground in several stages and finished on a leather strop. VVS-knife fits in the same sheath as HVK.
​
(Then various two-knife sheaths.)
 
M Wadel said:
yeah that seems to be the "default stainless" steel, its tried and proven so why not..
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Unfortunately, I'll have to establish that I was wrong (again :o ). Hultafors uses AUS-8 in their SS models!! The blade steel in their carbon models is japanese SK-5 (AISI 1085).

~Paul~
 
dePaul said:
Carbon steel Mora's
- Swedish "Uddeholm UHB 20", cold rolled carbon steel, HRC 59-61
- German "C.D. Wälzholz-Brockhaus GmbH CK 101 and CK 95", cold rolled carbon steel, HRC 60

Laminated steel Mora's
- Swedish "Uddeholm 2140", HRC 60-62
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Just to translate for my fellow Americans (after going to the trouble myself of checking all this out) ...

Uddeholm UHB 20 is 1095

Uddeholm 2140 is O1
 
dePaul said:
Unfortunately, I'll have to establish that I was wrong (again :o ). Hultafors uses AUS-8 in their SS models!! The blade steel in their carbon models is japanese SK-5 (AISI 1085).

~Paul~
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afaik usually when a knife uses japanese steel its made in japan, did they say if the knives were made in sweden or japan? anyway i really like them no matter where they make them. now i have to get one of the SS ones, never tried aus-8 before.
 
M Wadel said:
afaik usually when a knife uses japanese steel its made in japan, did they say if the knives were made in sweden or japan? anyway i really like them no matter where they make them. now i have to get one of the SS ones, never tried aus-8 before.
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You wish :) . No they didn't tell where these knives are manufactured. You should know that it was no walk in the park to get this info in first place :D Man, do these guys have secrets.

Anyway, I'll try to find more useful info from Sandvik, Eka and H-fors.

~Paul~
 
heheh how high up the ladder do you have to climb to get these answers? but i can imagine they didnt really want to tell you their knives does´nt use swedish steel as all the other moras do.. even if the japanese in some cases could be better. anyway good find.
 
:D
M Wadel said:
heheh how high up the ladder do you have to climb to get these answers? but i can imagine they didnt really want to tell you their knives does´nt use swedish steel as all the other moras do.. even if the japanese in some cases could be better. anyway good find.
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Only the sky is the limit :D

I'm in the progress of gathering some useful info regarding Sandvik 12C27.

~Paul~

PS I'll be back ...
 
The biggest difference that I have observed between brands and models is sheath design. They tend to come in rather hoakie plastic sheaths. The Ericson models that I have have a more secure knife retension than the Frosts of Sweden versions.
 
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