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Sigh,I agree! Only reason I put for pics. is so AMERICANS would "KNOW" BG are going down! Me, I think reverse terr. works great! :D
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jim
 
Originally posted by hannibal lecter spyderco

I for one have always advocated building a berlin style wall along the mexican american border to prevent illegal aliens and slow down the drug movement into the u.s. Anyone think this is a good idea?
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Mexican inmigrants aren't the only ones whom illegally enter to USA and I don't think Mexican people are a threat to your nation security in the context terrorist cells are, so I don't see the relationship. Besides, to prevent drug traffic you should also build a dome above the whole USA.

Have we been so bad neighbors?
 
Orozcov,

No, you have been very good neighbors. I think that sometimes people get frustrated here in the US because we have old and outdated laws.

For example, if a child is born in this country, it is automatically a US citizen. I don't know of any other country in the world that allows this. Maybe 150 years ago, when we had a lot of land and not enough workers, it was ok to encourage this, but times have changed.

I have nothing against immigration, but it should be regulated and legal. That's all.

I also think there is no such thing as a "Native American". We all immigrated, even the Indians across the Bering Strait. They've just been here longer!
 
Well, I don't think mexico is a bad neighbor in the sense that mexico is going to attack the u.s. like bin ladin did. However, with that being said, I think that terrorist attacks come in many forms. I don't think anyone would argue that the biggest problem of illegal aliens coming into america is from the mexican border. I think its much easier for terrorist to come by the way of mexico than by the way of canada since after sept 11, for the simple reason that the officials in mexico aren't the most honest around. This is a problem that you see in poorer countries as rule not just mexico.

I also think that their is many form of terrorist, and illegal aliens can drain the resources of a state to the point of no return! I do not blame anyone from mexico trying to come over the u.s. border in their shoes I would do the same thing. With that being said, the facts are clear that those mexican crossing the border tend not to be the most educated in their society. They tend not to contribute to the u.s. government as a whole and consume more resources than they put back. Furthermore 2nd generation don't fair as well as other 2nd generation ethnic group. HIgh drop out rate, low wages etc... This information comes from the recent LA census. Sooner or later south west states will have to look at whether they want to be like new mexico which has suffered greatly by illegal aliens in the form of sucking dry its limited resources. I'm not against letting people from mexico in the country, in fact I welcome it. I just think they have to go through the same process as any other country.

I think a big problem is that illegal aliens get the same benefit as all americans do. I for one feel that social services should be for all legal americans regardless of gender or race, not for those who are illegal.
 
Well, I don't think mexico is a bad neighbor in the sense that mexico is going to attack the u.s. like bin ladin did. However, with that being said, I think that terrorist attacks come in many forms. I don't think anyone would argue that the biggest problem of illegal aliens coming into america is from the mexican border. I think its much easier for terrorist to come by the way of mexico than by the way of canada since after sept 11, for the simple reason that the officials in mexico aren't the most honest around. This is a problem that you see in poorer countries as rule not just mexico.

I also think that their is many form of terrorist, and illegal aliens can drain the resources of a state to the point of no return! I do not blame anyone from mexico trying to come over the u.s. border in their shoes I would do the same thing. With that being said, the facts are clear that those mexican crossing the border tend not to be the most educated in their society. They tend not to contribute to the u.s. government as a whole and consume more resources than they put back. Furthermore 2nd generation don't fair as well as other 2nd generation ethnic group. HIgh drop out rate, low wages etc... This information comes from the recent LA census. Sooner or later south west states will have to look at whether they want to be like new mexico which has suffered greatly by illegal aliens in the form of sucking dry its limited resources. I'm not against letting people from mexico in the country, in fact I welcome it. I just think they have to go through the same process as any other country.

I think a big problem is that illegal aliens get the same benefit as all americans do. I for one feel that social services should be for all legal americans regardless of gender or race, not for those who are illegal.

I also blame a huge problem on both the u.s. government and the mexican government. Allowing u.s. companies to set up shop along the mexican american borders. These u.s. companies in mexico don't have to have the same environment laws that we in america do, so the rio grand that flows from mexico is now like a toxic dump. Big business big money will make governments turn a blind eye.
 
The Berlin wall was built to keep people IN. Building a wall to keep people IN would be unAmerican, the opposite is just common sense. As for that nonsense about the "tired, huddled masses yearning to breathe free..", the woman who penned that, Emma Lazarus, was a communist. The plaque at Liberty Island bearing this inscription was put up well after the Statue of Liberty was erected. The United States is under no obligation either morally or legally to accept illegal aliens, don't anyone let a bunch of socialist dribble convince you that we are.
 
Originally posted by Rob Simonich
Right after the wall is built, do we then issue the National ID cards? Bad, bad idea, and totally non american, if we build walls they win! Think of Berlin..........
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So the national ID cards I'm hearing about now were your idea, Rob?! ;)

<jk> :D

However, in answer to the original question, no.
 
"If we deported every illegal immigrant,the US economy would collapse immediately"

immigrant farm workers pick many of our crops at low cost, they wash our dishes, cook our food, mow our lawns.


at this time our country needs to be more open and relationship building than closed up.
 
Even in China buses explode now and then, in Russian it's far worse. Having authoritarian governments do not reduce terrorism.
 
Originally posted by chrisaloia


immigrant farm workers pick many of our crops at low cost,
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The cost is "low" because the government subsidizes these workers, giving them food stamps, free day care, free medical care, and free schooling for their children, thus depressing the labor market in the area. I know, I live in an area where migrant workers are employed. The only Americans who benefit are the large corporations that make a profit at taxpayer expense. Perhaps if fruit picking paid a decent wage, it wouldn't be "beneath" the welfare scum to get off their asses and go to work.
 
the welfare issue you raise depends on whether you're talking about people here legally or undocumented. undocumented workers don't have it so easy as you make it out. if you talk to a lot of people who work in immigration or border patrol, they'll tell you that they are only upholding our laws, and our laws should probably change.

besides, everybody always talks about welfare. but would you pay $5 for one apple? Why do you think so much labor leaves the country cause americans want to buy CHEAP.

when I was selling knives the general public didn't want to pay for any knife that was over 50 bucks. so they would rather buy a POS from china but then they would bitch about china.

you can't have your cake and eat it too.

either you want cheap or you put up your money where your mouth is.

everybody talks about BUYING AMERICAN but they shop at walmart where most of the stuff is made in china contrary to their advrtising campaign.
 
If you look at the bigger picture from potential economic growth, poplulation growth, standard of living and the drain of resources. You will see that the drain on resources are much more than what is added to the econ. No one is saying that these people have it easy, but they do take more than they give back. There ways around keeping an apple from costing 5 dollars.
 
hls,

I am willing to wager that the future will be inclusive of the migrant worker and not a step back or wall as you suggest.

GWB has been leaning towards aiding migrant workers.

and in the bigger picture we are all immigrants.
 
yes you are right gw needs the latin vote. But we are talking about long term. I don't think you can be rash and take a picture in time but really have to study the situation for long periods of time. There a correlation between the strain on social services and resources and the influx of illegals. True we are all from other countries but we are also a nation of laws. What makes mexican better than any other race. I believe at the present we have quota. Here are a couple of certain points mexican americans have the highest birth rate and the lowest income group and least likely to be college graduated from a percentage stand point. Do you really want to live in mexico? I don't think that this will happen tomorrow, I don't think it will happen in 10 years.. but one day.. in the future.. when resources are low and more and more people come across the border to seek a better life." which i don't blame them the walls will come up"
 
Building a wall, stringing razor wire, landmining, etc would be deeply symbolic of notions oposite to those we espouse.

How about adequately fund the Border Patrol so that its personnel can effectively carry out their mission?

How about utilizing the military? It has been done before, without memorable ill effects.

How about call on border states to hold the line?

The list of "how abouts" should be pretty long before we reach building a wall, stringing razor wire, landmining, etc gets reached, imo.
 
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