more dumb sheeple

Wow. Imagine being sentenced to prison for 10 years for simply carrying a pocket knife. That's pretty amazing.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what are sheeple? I can sort of guess from the context...

It is too people people automatically think of knives as weapons. Most are really tools and I suppose can serve as weapons of opportunity. No different form carrying a baseball bat if you ask me. Gun are weapons. They are designed as such, and serve no other purpose.
 
Will said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what are sheeple? I can sort of guess from the context...

It is too people people automatically think of knives as weapons. Most are really tools and I suppose can serve as weapons of opportunity. No different form carrying a baseball bat if you ask me. Gun are weapons. They are designed as such, and serve no other purpose.
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People + sheep = sheeple

Many people act like sheep, thus sheeple.

BTW, even a gun can be a tool. Think of hunters.
 
Steven Roos said:
People + sheep = sheeple

Many people act like sheep, thus sheeple.

BTW, even a gun can be a tool. Think of hunters.
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I thought about that, but the gun is still being used as a weapon, only against the game being hunted rather than people. As legitimate as that may be.

Will
 
Carying a knife as a SD weapon should be legal. carying a knife as a tool should be legal.
 
The UK isnt that bad and the law is flexible too. It depends on what they find on you and why they were looking for it. A guy in a pub with a Buck Strider will obviously have a lot more explaining to do than a guy in hiking boots, rucksack and carrying a Battle Mistress.

The U.K is a very violent place, people think the US is bad, but shootings are more news worthy than some poor kid getting his head kicked in for looking at somone for a fraction of a second too long.

When I was a teemager drinking in the UK, you were guaranteed to see at least one fight or some trouble fri, sat and sometimes Sunday but generally fri and sat. Drinking in Manchester required that at least 2 of you walk the streets together, being on your own would be inviting a good kicking.

The cops just want to lower the chances of someone getting cut or more likely give them a way to get scum off the street that they couldn't before as they had nothing to hold them for.
 
Carrying a knife for SD should be legal too. Do we not have the right to protect ourselves? A knife is a legitimate tool whether the use is opening a letter, cutting up an apple, or saving you from some sort of nut. Banning a weapon will do nothing to stop violence. Ban guns, what do you get? More stabbings. Ban knives, what do you get? More people beaten to death. The list goes on and on until we all write with rubber pencils like they do in prison. I've got a good idea how about rather than blaming inanimate objects we blame the person responsible and deal with them accordingly?

When it comes to giving up my right to defend myself I feel the same as Charlton Heston "Take them from my cold dead hands!"
 
It is the same all over the world; the law only affects the good guys and the sane. All the others don't give a rats ar$e! Punish the crime not take more of the honest citizens rights away
 
WOW that lady looks like a B****!

I think that if you kill someone on purpose without a verygood reason (seriously felt in mortal danger) then the guy with the knife, they should have a harsher punishment than if someone shot a person with a gun. It takes more to walk up to someone and pump'em in the stomach a few times than to pull a trigger. (exeptions of mass murderers, snipers, terrorists, etc, etc.)

There has been three knife stabbings everyday for the last 3 days (That's what my mom says, then looks at me and says "KYLE!"), on thursday ummm someone un-named (not me) stabbed their neighbor with a screwdriver. So that doesn't count. :D
 
Steve Drayton said:
It is the same all over the world; the law only affects the good guys and the sane. All the others don't give a rats ar$e! Punish the crime not take more of the honest citizens rights away
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This is true! If you make things like knives/guns illegal it only takes them away from responsible people, the bad guy will continue to carry them regardless. If a person is going to commit a violent crime do you think they care whether or not their means of carrying, or obtaining a weapon or the weapon itself is legal, I doubt it. Making laws against these things is just dumb. Crack, crank, etc. is very illegal but there is still a ton of it around, they need to find a way to fix the problem. Responsible, safe people with knives and/or guns is not a problem.
 
Knife = tool.

Handgun = weapon.

Try opening a letter or trimming your fingernails with a handgun and you'll see what I mean.

Although I do get images in my head of Homer opening a beer can by shooting it...

My sympathies to the english-speakers across the pond.
 
It's easy to see the effect crime has on innocent families and to mock their overreactions, in their grief. But the entire nation isn't necessarily in agreement with the nanny state's tendency to go along with it. Today in the UK there is a movement to return an effective right of self-defense at least in that home that used to be a man's castle.

After that, who knows? They may get the right to defend themselves in the streets again, too.

Notice the reference to Oklahoma. Also notice the Chief Constable only sees the survey as informing him of people's fears, not what he should do to reduce the cause of those fears.

Overwhelming support for 'make my day' burglary law

An overwhelming majority of the public backs the Sunday Telegraph's campaign to give people more rights to protect their homes and families from violent intruders, according to a new survey.

The ICM poll shows that 71 per cent of voters believe that householders should have the "unqualified right to use force, including deadly force if necessary" - against burglars. The wording of the survey question mirrors legislation, introduced in the state of Oklahoma in 1988 and known as the "Make my Day Law", which has halved burglaries.

An even greater proportion of those surveyed - 81 per cent - say that intruders should lose the right to sue for anything that the householder does in self-defence. ((snip))

The present law says that reasonable force may be used against intruders but the Home Office has admitted that there is "no definition" of what constitutes such force. Burglary victims can be hauled into court to answer accusations of assault or worse.

Almost three quarters of those surveyed, 72 per cent, felt that the current law was "ill-defined and inadequate" while 70 per cent thought that the Government could do much more to reduce the risk of burglary.

Only 37 per cent said that the police could already protect householders from the dangers posed by intruders.

Last night Norman Brennan, the director of the Victims of Crime Trust and a serving police officer with 26 years' experience, said: "The public fear crime more than I can ever remember.

"Sadly and reluctantly, I have to agree with the people in your survey. If the public saw more policemen I think they would feel safer, but the sad reality with the police is that we are not allowed to do the job we are employed to do.

"We have been shackled hand and foot and our ability to police has been damaged. Over half our time is taken up with paperwork.

"We need more policemen and the law needs to be explained better. No one, on an official level, is prepared to say in the Queen's English what you can and can't do about an intruder in your home.

"Ask Mr Blunkett about it and he'll just give you a load of spin, but it is time the Government stopped coming up with excuses."

Paul Stephenson, the Chief Constable of Lancashire and a spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We will consider the survey to establish how its findings can help us to understand people's fear of crime." ((snip))
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(The entire article is available at the link above.)
 
Planterz said:
Knife = tool.

Handgun = weapon.
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Bad Math

Knife = Tool
Handgun = Weapon

Good Math

Knife = Tool (when used properly)
Knife = Weapon (when used imporperly)

Handgun = TOOL (when used properly)..Target shooting, hunting or self-defense.
Handgun = Weapon (when used imporperly)...Murder, robbery..etc.

Car = Tool (when used properly)..Transporation...Organized racing.
Car = Weapon (when used imporperly)...Drunk or reckless driving.

It's NEVER the instrument, ALWAYS the wielder!
 
Here in Finland people think knifes generally as tools, but still it's illegal to carry knife at public place without a good reason( if you are constructionworker carrying knife is legal). The law was made primarily to prevent stabbings made at fridaynights and weekends when people are drunk.People drink, get drunk and start fighting and if they have knife they will pull it out and use it. When it was legal to carry knives almos every man had a puukko with them all the time( atliest at countryside). The law has succesfully reduced these stabbings, but at the same time it has taken the right of carrying a tool and defending yourself away.(defending yourself against attack is almost illegal here, you can get convicted if you defend yourself "too much"). Criminals will always have knives and weapons, laws can't prevent that. These laws only makes normal people lawbreakers.
 
brewthunda said:
If your kid was stabbed through the heart during recess, you might look a little b1tchy, too. Have some respect.
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I see no reason to respect someone who would have me locked in the slammer for 10 years Just because someone killed her son and now shes angry.
 
Hypothetical situation:

A 17 yrs old punk beats and kills a class mate with a hammer. Would anyone call for hammers to made illegal? No, because anyone in their right mind knows that a hammer is a useful and valueble tool. Why is it the people dont feel the same way about knives. We all use them every day. Even "sheeple" have to cut their steak. Why is it that people are blind to the intrisic value of edged tools? They are primaru roll and some of the oldest used by man yet we fear them, why? I doesnt make any sense to me.
 
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