more dumb sheeple

[Will]

It's NEVER the instrument, ALWAYS the wielder!

True story

 

[Will]

Hypothetical situation:

A 17 yrs old punk beats and kills a class mate with a hammer. Would anyone call for hammers to made illegal? No, because anyone in their right mind knows that a hammer is a useful and valueble tool. Why is it the people dont feel the same way about knives. We all use them every day. Even "sheeple" have to cut their steak. Why is it that people are blind to the intrisic value of edged tools? They are primaru roll and some of the oldest used by man yet we fear them, why? I doesnt make any sense to me.

Most people can't think for themselves. Society has these misconseptions that just get passed on. Why do people think wolves eat people, or that SUVs are safer than cars? Too most people it seems that knife = weapon.

When I was in scouts, there was a rule at some of the camps that noone (leaders included) could have a sheath knife. This was for safty reasons, and obviously quite foolish. They are telling me it is ok to have a folder with a 6 inch blade, but not a fixed blade knife with a 4 inch blade? Besides, I think, and many people might agree with me, that a fixed blade knife is safer than a folding knife.

Will

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Criminals will always have knives and weapons, laws can't prevent that. These laws only makes normal people lawbreakers.

The only pressure we can put on criminals is punishment, even though that comes after the fact. The effectiveness of the punishment lies in its certainty and severity. If they think they will evade capture or beat the case in court, they will continue to abuse the citizenry.

In the US, we have a Constitutional bar against cruel and unusual punishment. Robert Heinlein proposed that punishment had to be both cruel and unusual to get the criminal's attention.

I understand Finland has extremely humane prisons. That may be more of the problem than anybody's knives.

Nobody really knows the answer, though we on this forum tend to suspect it does not lie in restricting the freedom of the average citizen.

 

[The Porcupine]

Another thing to consider, is the shift in people's mentality. When I was younger, two guys could get into a fistfight and people standing around them would just back off and let them go at it.
If one of them pulled a knife, he was sure to have most of the men stading around on top of him, turning him into a bloody mess! It was acceptable to fight, but pulling a knife/screwdriver/club, whatever, simply wasn't.
These days, a certain breed of idiots carry knives because it's "cool and badass" - and their idiot buddies do it too! And make no mistake, they do NOT think of them as tools! They are weapons and they seemingly have no problems using them om innocent people.
Denmark has seen a couple of tightenings on our already very restrictive knifelaws and it hasn't helped one bit!
What most people (sheeple) fail to realize is, that there's a vast difference between a 17 year old aggressive gangbanger high on crack or whatever carrying a knife as opposed to a 40 year old guy (could be myself!) who views knives as industrial art as well as useful tools!

I seriously hope the police are aware of that difference and are focusing their efforts accordingly.
Taking away my knives and putting me in jail for carrying them, won't make for less stabbings, that's for sure!

Bo

 

[yuzuha]

Lol, follow that to its logical conclusion and the sheeple will have to clean up the whole world to make sure there are no beer bottles, rocks or pointy sticks laying around. /_-; Pocket knife makes a crappy weapon anyway. I carry one.... geeze, with all that new plastic packaging they put on everything I can't even open anything anymore without one, and with the caps on my front teeth, I need a knife to slice my apple for lunch!

 

[TOMBSTONE]

Well,lets see.It was already illegal for him to have the knife,being he is a subject,not a Royal.That offense is Punishable for up to 4 years by itself.He killed someone with a knife,which could put you in prison forever.Oh wait,let's make having a knife punishable for up to 10 years in prison,that would have made the difference.I'm sure he would have found the 10 year penalty to much to bear over life in prison.
What they need tougher laws against, is ugly people reproducing.Sounds like the weapons laws cause more crime then it prevents,hmmm,what a concept
Maybe they should ban alcohol,since apparantly people can't handle their liquor. :yawn:

 

[xsrdx]

Total and complete idiocy.

The tendency for leftists and socialists to hold inanimate objects responsible for wrongdoing never fails to astonish me.

Instead of blaming the PERPETRATOR, his PARENTS, the SCHOOL and anybody else that likely had more than one or two hints that the killer was a problem, this poor woman decides that KNIVES are somehow at fault, and proceeds to expend untold energy trying to get law abiding citizens with knives arrested for mere possession.

Unfreakinbelievable, even moreso that people are listening to and "considering" this bed wetting nonsense.

Arrest, prosecute, jail and EXECUTE bad guys that deserve it, and stop trying to make criminals out of honest citizens.

 

[T. Erdelyi]

WOW that lady looks like a B****!

I think that if you kill someone on purpose without a verygood reason (seriously felt in mortal danger) then the guy with the knife, they should have a harsher punishment than if someone shot a person with a gun. It takes more to walk up to someone and pump'em in the stomach a few times than to pull a trigger. (exeptions of mass murderers, snipers, terrorists, etc, etc.)

There has been three knife stabbings everyday for the last 3 days (That's what my mom says, then looks at me and says "KYLE!"), on thursday ummm someone un-named (not me) stabbed their neighbor with a screwdriver. So that doesn't count.

It takes more to walk up to someone and pump'em in the stomach a few times than to pull a trigger. (exeptions of mass murderers, snipers, terrorists, etc, etc.)

I gotta ask you, do you really know if it's harder to stab or shoot someone?

Unless you've done either or had either done to you I don't see where you'd be qualified to make a comment like that.

Death is death, cessation of life, end of consciousness, lights out, bye-bye, no matter how you look at it it's over, and it's not a matter taken lightly.

Is it harder one way or another, I guess you'd have to have the nads to walk up to a killer and ask, personally I think either way is hard and requires a paticular type of person to be able to do it.

No offense, but you don't sound like you've been around long enough to aquire enough life experience, outside of videos or tv to to even know what a statement like that means.

Young people who don't completely understand life and death outside of a video game should listen more and speak less about this topic.

I've said my peace and once again apologize if I offended you, nuff said.

 

[rs422]

Most people fear their own thoughts, they hide from them by blaming something outside of them. A knife is a very old tool, a lot of old fear. What can one expect when people are out of touch, out of shape, lazy, and ignorant. It's the hysterical fools who shout the most and loudest, only to blame the wrong things and create a spread of twisted fear that only makes the world more crazy. The politicians feed and depend on this fear for election.

But that's just the way I see it today.

 

[Keith]

The only pressure we can put on criminals is punishment, even though that comes after the fact. The effectiveness of the punishment lies in its certainty and severity. If they think they will evade capture or beat the case in court, they will continue to abuse the citizenry.

The criminal also has to realize that he is being punished and that he did something wrong. I'm a probation Officer. One day while I was drug testing a client another probationer doing community service comes into the mens room to clean the mirrors. My client ask the other one what he doing. The other probationer tells him and says " it's like their trying to punish me or something." Of course neither one of them thinks that they did anything wrong.

 

[Eerik]

I understand Finland has extremely humane prisons. That may be more of the problem than anybody's knives.

Yes thats the problem.Another problem is that the sentences are too short. I think criminals should be punished properly.

 

[rev_jch]

Banning knives is not a solution. Someone who wants to harm someone will use whatever they can get their hands on, fork, letter opener, etc.

People would rather have goverment decide what is safe for them. Its very understandable the mother is upset, who would not be if something happened to their daughter, especailly something like a stabbing? It is ignorant to think that banning knives is the answer though. Ban guns, knives, etc and the criminals will be the only ones carrying them, its common sense! Anyone who would commit a crime, whatever that may be is not going to be concerned about the laws they are breaking to begin with. In this country some of the problem is we do not enforce the laws we have. We also have a society mentality that "anything goes" and it seems to be getting worse and worse.

 

[klattman]

Well,lets see.It was already illegal for him to have the knife,being he is a subject,not a Royal.That offense is Punishable for up to 4 years by itself.He killed someone with a knife,which could put you in prison forever.Oh wait,let's make having a knife punishable for up to 10 years in prison,that would have made the difference.I'm sure he would have found the 10 year penalty to much to bear over life in prison.
What they need tougher laws against, is ugly people reproducing.Sounds like the weapons laws cause more crime then it prevents,hmmm,what a concept
Maybe they should ban alcohol,since apparantly people can't handle their liquor. :yawn:

How do knife/gun bans help then? They don't. A regular citizen carying a knife who never uses it as a weapon can be jailed/fined. On the other hand a murderer uses it to kill some one and gets life in prison. Would it have made any difference if the murderer used a club?

Knife/gun laws only make law abiders into criminals, they do not have much effect in the case of an actual crime. Why do people (like those I converse with) not understand this???

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Why do people (like those I converse with) not understand this???

They're not as smart as they think they are.

 

[WadeF]

One of these days a gang needs to go out and murder a bunch of people with screw drivers to show these idiots that anything can be used as a weapon and banning knives won't do a damn thing.

What about people who are trained to kill someone with their bare hands? Should we ban people's arms and legs?

 

[chris in mo]

How sad! Here agaion we have an example of people refusing to hold people resoponsible for thier actions. They still dont understand if you take away oe weapon then those who look to do evil will simply find another one. Knivces are being used more than gun well no crap people you have all but banned guns so they are less vailable so peole have moved to knoves. It apparently has not occurred to them that crime did not go away it is just being committed with different tools. I can see baseball bats will be the next on the list along with scissors, knitting needles, etc etc etc.

 

[klattman]

...
What about people who are trained to kill someone with their bare hands? Should we ban people's arms and legs?

That's my answer when someone tells me I could kill with my knife... I could kill you with my bare hands, but my fingernails/teeth aren't much good at cutting this box/rope/tape/plastic/etc. (Invariably, they say such a stupid thing while you are using it as a tool.)

The other one I like is:
You are the one thinking of violence at the sight of a knife, I should be afraid of you!

 

[Thomas Linton]

Bumper sticker seen Sunday:

"Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat."

 

[DEA]

That's my answer when someone tells me I could kill with my knife... I could kill you with my bare hands, but my fingernails/teeth aren't much good at cutting this box/rope/tape/plastic/etc. (Invariably, they say such a stupid thing while you are using it as a tool.)

The other one I like is:
You are the one thinking of violence at the sight of a knife, I should be afraid of you!

klattman, you say the same things i do!
also, i also like to say "you should be worried about me instead"

 

[Keith]

That's my answer when someone tells me I could kill with my knife... I could kill you with my bare hands, but my fingernails/teeth aren't much good at cutting this box/rope/tape/plastic/etc. (Invariably, they say such a stupid thing while you are using it as a tool.)

I usually tell people I can kill them with a toothpick or the almighty Bic disposable ball point pen, at which point they get this dumb look on their face and start saying thats beside the point.