More fakes

[M67]

I was just on an online auction, and saw the same fake Mojo again.

 

[d762nato]

The bad thing is their even using Busse's name in the listing. That Sh%& just ain't right! :thumbdn:

 

[jazub]

the people producing and selling these strike me as serious creeps. the kind that lurk in shadows and peep around corners. why rip off and cheapen someone else's work? i don't get it. :thumbdn:
perhaps it's time to splash out the ten bucks and buy up their brand's domain name variations. maybe sell.... used socks?? chewed gum?

 

[Last Visible Canary]

the people producing and selling these strike me as serious creeps. the kind that lurk in shadows and peep around corners. why rip off and cheapen someone else's work? i don't get it. :thumbdn:

It's in china where busse has very little presence. While it is possible to get legit busse knives, it comes at an even higher cost than u.s. buyers pay because of shipping and import fee's. Those who can afford it are very, VERY lucky and comparatively well off. I'm not saying it's a good thing at all, but it's pretty easy to understand why someone would put through an order of busse designs to a local machine shop in china in order to a)make a bit of extra money and b) give a knife with excellent ergo's and design to a demographic that can't get them otherwise, albeit in lesser steels.


I'm trying to find a direct link between the photo's and the website that would confirm it's coming directly from chinabladesmith's owner/moderator but I haven't found one yet.

The "strider d9" they have up on teh bay at the moment:

Corresponds with the recent release of their "hawk version d9" (bad translation):
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/tra...www.chinabladesmith.com/bbs/read.php?tid=1601

 

[Macchina]

It's in china where busse has very little presence. While it is possible to get legit busse knives, it comes at an even higher cost than u.s. buyers pay because of shipping and import fee's. Those who can afford it are very, VERY lucky and comparatively well off. I'm not saying it's a good thing at all, but it's pretty easy to understand why someone would put through an order of busse designs to a local machine shop in china in order to a)make a bit of extra money and b) give a knife with excellent ergo's and design to a demographic that can't get them otherwise, albeit in lesser steels.

A is true, but they are making a TON of money because they are riding the train Busse paid for (advertising, design, research, brand building, etc.)

B is not true at all. If they wanted to succeed at "B", then putting the Busse name on it has no bearing. They are only out for money.

 

[Soulrack223]

I went over there to check it out. That's crass as hell. On a side note, someone is getting close to $600 bucks for CG NMSFNO. A nice double money for a flipper right there.

 

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B is not true at all. If they wanted to succeed at "B", then putting the Busse name on it has no bearing. They are only out for money.

I'm not trying to dispute the nature of product design rights or market recognition but they don't put the name on the knife. It's possible that the seller is intentionally trying to garner busse prices by avoiding directly saying "this is not a busse knife, only a replica" but it's also possible that he's assuming that the buyer already knows that, as they would buying it from his home website. If your going to try to pass a reproduction off as the real thing, you don't say "this knife is made of 9Cr18MoV" when it's normally infi.

I may sound like I'm siding with the seller. I'm not, I'm just of the opinion that your understanding of a situation and your sympathy/empathy towards the persons involved don't necessarily have to dictate your actions. If someone does something bad to me and mine I may feel for the guy doing it, but I'll still try to stop them regardless.

All I have to go on with this company and the guy running it is babelfishes translation, and his english descriptions which are pretty similar. When your reading a series of words that are assumed to be analogous like when "ascend to the greater parent" means "go back a page" a whole lot is lost in translation.

 

[tomthebaker]

Maybe the phony Skunk can have a pretend sale??

Throw in a couple of fake Jerry's, and they can drink some phony Jim Beam together.

 

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the header disclaimer from their mainpage (badly translated):

" C · B · O (Chinese Bladesmith Organization) official website: ChinaBladesmith.org (Chinese swordsmith net) is the pure academic study refers to the website. Involves domain for manufactured products design, handicraft design, manufacture, connoisseurship as well as metal smelting forging technology. Issued the work all for does not operate front's artistic collection class cutting tool, only supplies the artware amateur connoisseurship and the product designer refers to study, does not violate the country related laws and regulations, if has the objection please to relate the home station. In the article picture, the price only does for the study discussion's reference, not for sell. Thanks!"

http://www.chinabladesmith.org/info/index.php


The copyright laws in china may differ considerably from those here in the u.s. Even here the copyright laws are only as good as your efforts to follow up on them. Mtech and the like only change their direct copies after lawsuits have been filed against them, otherwise they wouldn't and nothing would happen.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

"the outdoors sharp weapon fine imitates the RAMBO4 steam hammer to hammer the cow"
vs.
"OEM generation of labor quality goods SCHRADA EXT"

I guess chinabladesmith is a collectors group (?)... They do group buys from local factories for reproductions and occasionally actual manufacturer goods. Within the website the difference is noted by OEM. Still not sure who the ebay seller is though... GGRRRR if only chinese was a language I wanted to learn spanish first, Portuguese second then we'll see...

 

[Last Visible Canary]

sigh... I don't want to read translations anymore. The more I look through the core website the more it appears to be like a chinese knifecenter with an active forum that can influence what they buy. They stock several chinese factory/companies that do various copies and "reproductions" of american knives. The one key difference in this instance is that they are now being sold to an american market on a popular website that has pretty strict rules and regulations against such things.

There are several chinese manufacturers represented including "Three edge wooden" (bad translation)
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/tra...//www.chinabladesmith.org/info/show.php?id=69

and "navy brand", both of which specialize in folders. Then there is at least 1 manufacturer who specializes in the fixed blades, possibly more. I can't tell by the translation if it's "cbo" thats doing multiple machine shop orders, or if it's a series of companies that already produce the models that "cbo" is mere distributing for. I could probably find the exact chinese characters that represent the names used to describe the mojo model which would probably be for the translated "the hawk flies" brand/version title, but I don't know if it would help. sourcing the exact location of the companies may not be worth much since there is probably a distinct lack of copyright laws within china's borders. Finding the seller on ebay would be notably more difficult without going through ebay itself for records. the most likely outcome is that you could keep him from selling on ebay or at least cancel each new account as it arises. I'm not sure if it would be possible to get the chinese government to do anything about it.

o_0

 

[Mossyhorn]

They do it with Chris Reeve Knives and Strider too.

 

[kdstrick]

Maybe the phony Skunk can have a pretend sale??

Throw in a couple of fake Jerry's, and they can drink some phony Jim Beam together.

Great idea...

 

[Last Visible Canary]

sigh... heres where the "d9" destruction pics on ebay came from:
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/tra...www.chinabladesmith.com/bbs/read.php?tid=1677

unfortunatly it doesn't slim down whether it was the poster or just someone on the forum grabbing the pics. however....

h.ttp://66.163.168.225/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=zh_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.chinabladesmith.com%2fbbs%2fread.php%3ftid%3d1574%26fpage%3d0%26toread%3d%26page%3d1[/url]

two rather interesting (if hard to decipher) posts:
from "tidal bore"
"Plays knife's road basically such to come
I play knife one year to have -odd present to compare like the knife
The home imitates plays manually has played The overseas quality goods present up to did not have the attempt desire
Lou Zhu has opportunity words to make the knife to play knew that made the knife to be difficult

and farther down from "aqianer"
"The Chinese court played under knife yy to be good, was illegal, do not exit to take a stroll"

that could read as "I tried to buy a knife from oversea's but the chinese ceased it in customs claiming it illegal to import"
or (seeing as how tidal bore posted the images of the "d9" that are currently on ebay) it could read as "I tried to sell it online but the chinese government said no it breaks international copyright laws in the country you are attempting to sell it to"

sooooo.... possibly tidal bore= okguang?
*verified by dingy as not being the case (babelfish translation ftl)*

 

[Last Visible Canary]

h.ttp://www.tudou.com/home/_46551009#tui-tab_0

his todou channel... apperently he's located in Guangxi.

*verified as not the seller by dingy - still a fun destructive test to watch though. it did better then a lot of the thicker s30v destructive tests I've seen.*

 

[jazub]

It's in china where busse has very little presence. While it is possible to get legit busse knives, it comes at an even higher cost than u.s. buyers pay because of shipping and import fee's. Those who can afford it are very, VERY lucky and comparatively well off. I'm not saying it's a good thing at all, but it's pretty easy to understand why someone would put through an order of busse designs to a local machine shop in china in order to a)make a bit of extra money and b) give a knife with excellent ergo's and design to a demographic that can't get them otherwise, albeit in lesser steels.

is the point here that it is the right of anybody who so likes something to possess it? i guess i just disagree. the logical extensions are innumerable so i will leave them up to imagination.
if that company would like to make affordable knives for their buyer base, they should do that. my opinion, however, is that they should not ride upon the coattails of somebody who actually creates, with no patronage paid, simply reaping wholesale benefit. furthermore, these clunkers are for sale to buyers in the U.S., no?
if we were operating under the assumption that there is not a creative person in china, that would be different. that just does not happen to be my assumption.

anyway, this is a good thread. got me nice and fired up. maybe i should calm down with a nice, cool.....

TSING TAO??

 

[scotchleaf]

I'm guessing it was illegal because personal knives are highly restricted

 

[drift draft]

Nossfu?

 

[Last Visible Canary]

is the point here that it is the right of anybody who so likes something to possess it?

Legally it depends on the region. In china, probably.
I get why their doing it, that doesn't mean I like it.

i guess i just disagree. the logical extensions are innumerable so i will leave them up to imagination.
if that company would like to make affordable knives for their buyer base, they should do that. my opinion, however, is that they should not ride upon the coattails of somebody who actually creates, with no patronage paid, simply reaping wholesale benefit. furthermore, these clunkers are for sale to buyers in the U.S., no?

They are at the moment. I don't know if they continually sell them via an online store to the u.s., I couldn't find a reference to it going through the main website. The second you cross borders with your goods you are subject to the new countries laws and regulations, in this case they are going against u.s. laws.

if we were operating under the assumption that there is not a creative person in china, that would be different. that just does not happen to be my assumption.

anyway, this is a good thread. got me nice and fired up. maybe i should calm down with a nice, cool.....

TSING TAO??

Tsing Tao actually sounds pretty good right, I haven't had one in a long time. I'm not saying there aren't creative people in china, I'm saying busse (and the various other manufacturers) designs are excellent. "I want excellent but can't afford it" sometimes leads to a person making an registered reproduction. It also sometimes leads to someone making a cheaper unregistered version for sale to those who feel that way. Whether you are able to sell it in the open market is dependent on the laws and regulations of the countries your trying to sell them in (or produced it in).

I'm not ruling out previous comments that they are just trying to produce something that will sell and make as much money on it as possible. I would never directly reproduce someones knife design because I've never found a knife I didn't have at least one quibble with, but I get the reasons for doing it and they are altogether human, some of them understandable. That doesn't mean it's legal and it doesn't mean the offended party shouldn't try to stop them.

 

[dingy]

sigh... heres where the "d9" destruction pics on ebay came from:
http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/tra...www.chinabladesmith.com/bbs/read.php?tid=1677

unfortunatly it doesn't slim down whether it was the poster or just someone on the forum grabbing the pics. however....

http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/tra.../bbs/read.php?tid=1574&fpage=0&toread=&page=1

two rather interesting (if hard to decipher) posts:
from "tidal bore"
"Plays knife's road basically such to come
I play knife one year to have -odd present to compare like the knife
The home imitates plays manually has played The overseas quality goods present up to did not have the attempt desire
Lou Zhu has opportunity words to make the knife to play knew that made the knife to be difficult

and farther down from "aqianer"
"The Chinese court played under knife yy to be good, was illegal, do not exit to take a stroll"

that could read as "I tried to buy a knife from oversea's but the chinese ceased it in customs claiming it illegal to import"
or (seeing as how tidal bore posted the images of the "d9" that are currently on ebay) it could read as "I tried to sell it online but the chinese government said no it breaks international copyright laws in the country you are attempting to sell it to"

sooooo.... possibly tidal bore= okguang?

the man in the pic is not the maker of those fake things, his is just a knife nut. i know it.