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On Wednesday, I got together with my buddy Phil to play in the woods. I always like to have a particular focus when we get together because it doesn't happen very often and it's good to get something accomplished. Wednesday's focus was heritage traps and scenery :D and to finally play with my BK-9. I had to find out what the hoopla was all about.

By heritage traps I mean traps and snares that were used by early peoples. In yesterday's case, it was a trap from the Ord Shelter. (seen here - trap 'a') dated at nearly 2000 years old, also a trap that we had played with before - the Miwok Spring Snare.

When we set this trap up earlier somehow we had missed an important point and that was that the trigger stick was tied to the cord. We did not have success setting it up previously, so we thought this additional information would help. Now, in the previous post, baldtacoII had suggested an improvement to the trap that would work very well, but we like to replicate the original trap so we wanted another kick at the can.

The other trap that I had wanted to revisit was my take on the nail trap trigger. I originally saw this in Ron Hood's video, Traps and Trapping (highly recommended). I have played with this trigger quite a bit and really came to appreciate its versatility and effectiveness. I did a thread about it before in W&SS but for some reason, people had trouble with it, so we wanted to get it on video.

Recently, we have had some really strange weather, but Wednesday was a treat- 14 degrees Celsius ( 57 degrees F) and sunny. There's a beautiful little creek that runs through this area and because of the fairly rapid change in elevation, there are quite a few falls, rapids, etc.

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So we finally found a nice, flat spot with an overhanging branch and set up. First off, we revisited the Miwok trap. The trap as it appeared in Survival Skills of Native California (ignore the 2 small drawings at the top):

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Well we tied the stick on and tried it -

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not really an improvement - it kept wanting to pull the cord of the corner sticks, so we tried the trigger stick through the cord loop and it worked fine. Phil also decided that he preferred the Wishbone style bait stick

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So, we left it at that. If anybody has had any experience with this trap, I'd love to hear about it.

On to the Scissors snare. As it appears in the Ord document:

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We tried to set up the Scissors snare as per the original diagram

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- once again it sucked. It could be our shortcoming, of course. I would be interested to hear comments from people who have made it work as shown. Everytime we set it up it twisted upon lift off, pushing Justin (the rat, Pierre's son) off to the side, which you may be able to see in the following video:

[video=youtube;MPjKDQu4aA0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjKDQu4aA0&feature=youtu.be[/video]

(to be continued)
 
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Phil then suggested we orient the scissors vertically, and this worked like a charm.

[video=youtube;Xy-o_RHbUEw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-o_RHbUEw&feature=youtu.be"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-o_RHbUEw&feature=youtu.be[/video]

It makes you wonder about the original diagrams - did they work that way, or were they drawn by somebody who had never tried to make them work. :confused:

We wondered why they would use this trap over a deadfall, for small critters, such as packrats. I suggested that the reason may have been a preference for 'snared supper' over 'squashed supper'. It would be my preference.

The question remains, however, did the trap actually work as pictured, somehow set up differently that we did, or was the original drawing a result of the author never trying it out???

And finally, the Nail Trap trigger - my all-time favourite. We tried to do a video to simplify the trigger. You be the judge.......

[video=youtube;-GJTzsseCJk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GJTzsseCJk&feature=youtu.be"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GJTzsseCJk&feature=youtu.be[/video]

At this point, Phil decided that he had to take a leek, so we headed out.

Some of the scenery on the way out:

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So when we relocated, Phil got to take his leek -

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I did spell that right, didn't I? :D

Digging with the BK-3

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Oh, and I got to take some, too. :D

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Some of the tools of the day:

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From top to bottom, Linders short machete, KaBar Becker BK-9, Bark River Bravo-1, ESEE Izula II.

This was the first time I took the BK-9 out and I was quite impressed. It has a nice balance and chops well and can also do small-knife work - won't replace my Machax any time soon, though.

Anyway, all in all, a great day in the woods.

Doc
 
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Very cool thread, I can barely make a figure-4 deadfall. I think I'd actually be mad if some lil critter messed up my beautifully laid trap like that.
Like the wild edibles harvesting, though I thought those were Ramps, part of the Leek family but not actual leeks...I could be wrong though. How did you end up cooking em? I plan to go hunting for them tomorrow...
 
Thanks guys.

Haze, ramps and leeks are the same plant (Allium tricoccum). Cooking them tomorrow - probably fried. :D

Doc
 
Great thread. I really enjoyed that. What do you think about the Linder? I like the looks of it.

Also, I wanted to ask if that is the stainless model (stainless is all I can find).
 
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very nice thread and photos, and looks like you had some fun to boot.
 
Great thread. I really enjoyed that. What do you think about the Linder? I like the looks of it.

Also, I wanted to ask if that is the stainless model (stainless is all I can find).

Thanks trade. Glad you enjoyed it.

The Linder is 420 stainless with a Beech wood handle. It's a handy little chopper, but the so-called convex edge is bad. I had that one reprofiled by a local knife company and now it chops about as well as the factory edged BK-9. My buddy Phil also has one and it has seen a lot more use than mine since Phil is the antithesis of a knife whore - 1 chopper (Linder) and 1 fixed blade (Mora) :rolleyes: Funny, though, how the combinations always seems to work for him :D. Anyway, recently, his handle scales have cracked and rehandling it might be fun as it's not a full tang.

very nice thread and photos, and looks like you had some fun to boot.

Thanks BRL, and yes, it was a fun day.

No prizes for guessing what I'll be trying on my next days off !:D

Pitdog, I know your love for trap triggers. Spend some time with the nail trap and I bet it will become one of your favourites, as well.

Doc
 
Thanks Doc, I was actually just looking them up today too to see if they grew around my parts, doesn't look like it. They referred to ramps and wild leeks pretty interchangeably. I'm going fiddlehead foraging next weekend :P
 
Great stuff Doc!

Thanks Ken. Glad you liked it.

Thanks Doc, I was actually just looking them up today too to see if they grew around my parts, doesn't look like it. They referred to ramps and wild leeks pretty interchangeably. I'm going fiddlehead foraging next weekend :P

Just make sure they're not Bracken Fern fiddleheads.

On another note, I think I have worked the bugs out of the Scissors snare. One of the things is that the scissors should be spread further apart than what we had them. The other answer will have to wait until I can test it more thoroughly.

Doc
 
Thanks Big Mike. Good to see you in here.

Further to the Scissors snare: after more research, the only place I've seen the scissors laid out horizontally was in the picture above. In fact, I stumbled across a web site that mentioned that Paul D. Campbell, the author of Survival Skills of Native California (much recommended, wherever you live) had recently been at some kind of gathering and had set up the Scissors snare for a demonstration. There were a couple of pictures -both showing the snare set vertically.

In discussing this with Phil, we couldn't think of any reason for the snare to be set horizontally on the ground if the final position of the snare was to be vertical. For one thing, it would be just a shade slower because it has to realign it self vertically before closing on the prey.

So, at this point in time, I believe that the picture of the snare lying on the ground was not a true representation of how it was set. I have, however, managed to adapt it to work. I just don't see the purpose to it.

Maybe somebody else has some thoughts on this.

Doc
 
mmm, rock scissors paper :) scissors win
 
Nice work, Doc. I love these threads. I only have one suggestion on the bird trap in the first pic and that's to angle the top of the sticks that hold the noose open toward the inside of the noose.
If the arm snaps a certain way, angling the sticks as you did in that first pic might cause a hang-up because they're angled outward, which would cause your noose to tighten around them as the limb began to pull at the rope. Laying the sticks in just a little would make the operation smoother and faster.

The scissor trap looks tough. I can imagine a variant of that, that works like the jaws of a beartrap, wherein the animal sets off a trigger in the center and the jaws snap shut around its neck. May have to sketch that up and see if I can come up with a KISS (keep it simple, stupid) way of doing it.

Good stuff.
 
mmm, rock scissors paper :) scissors win

Thanks, Bladite, I think ......:confused:

Nice work, Doc. I love these threads. I only have one suggestion on the bird trap in the first pic and that's to angle the top of the sticks that hold the noose open toward the inside of the noose.
If the arm snaps a certain way, angling the sticks as you did in that first pic might cause a hang-up because they're angled outward, which would cause your noose to tighten around them as the limb began to pull at the rope. Laying the sticks in just a little would make the operation smoother and faster. The scissor trap looks tough. I can imagine a variant of that, that works like the jaws of a beartrap, wherein the animal sets off a trigger in the center and the jaws snap shut around its neck. May have to sketch that up and see if I can come up with a KISS (keep it simple, stupid) way of doing it.

Good stuff.


Thanks KEmSAT - I was pretty sure we did angle the sticks towards the centre although it sure doesn't look like it in the pictures, so I checked the videos. Still looks like you're right.

[video=youtube;WzRpz5EcNA8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzRpz5EcNA8&feature=youtu.be[/video] I definitely agree with you though.

I should also point out that this trap was designed for birds, not mice. We just used Justin for the visuals because he was all we had with us.


Ramps, indeed.
 
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