More questions about mechanical fasteners

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Hi Everyone,

Earlier this week I finished my first knife using a mechanical fastener (more on that later). I liked it so I'm going to do some more. Before I can move on, I had a couple of questions:
1) How many do I need? The knife I did has only one mechanical fastener along with some pins (it was originally just going to be pins, but I added a mechanical fastener as an after thought). I've seen other knives with between one and three. Three kind of seems like overkill to me, but what do I know?
2) Are there any rules of thumb for where to place them on the handle? I'm concerned about putting them too far from either the top or bottom of the handle for fear of scale separation. Is this really an issue?
Thanks,
Chris

p.s. If it matters, I'm using steel machine screws with 3/16" shaft (more on that later).
 
I carried a knife daily for almost a year, that had the scales held on by 2 slip-fitted pieces of stainless tube, no flared ends, no glue. You could push the tubes out with your finger and I could feel the scales wiggle a tiny bit during use, but I had zero problems with functionality, so I would say go with what makes you comfortable and if in doubt, test drive it till the wheels fall off or the tires wear out.
 
I am a true nubee, but I was at a gun and knife show where I saw a custom? Knife maker selling a buffalo horn scaled knife. I was embarrassed for him because the scale was curling off the tang buy pulling off the straight presumably peened brass pin. I would not sell anything that was pulling apart without even being used. I guess the answer is use whatever it takes to create a quality knife. Dad always said overkill does not break under normal use
 
First, To answer your question about how many.... two. More won't hurt, but one may not be quite enough.

When you apply a mechanical fastener, you are compressing the handle material in that spot. This causes the handle to try and lift slightly on both sides of the fastener. If you put only one in the center, it would have a tendency to lift at the ends. This may never happen if the epoxy holds and the fastener wasn't over-tightened ( they should be barely hand tight, never torqued down hard), and pins are used....but if things happen later on, like moisture warping and aging of the glue joint, it can lift a bit.

I like to use two Corby bolts on the ends and a mosaic rivet in the center on hunting knives.

On kitchen blades, three Corby bolts is a good choice. A neat look is the center being larger than the end two.


Now, why Corby style bolts ????
Because they come in brass, nickel, stainless, aluminum, bronze...and in sizes from 1/8" to 3/8"....in several lengths.

They are super simple to install and the finished look is flawless. All you need is a counterbore to match the bolt size. I suggest buying the counterbore from the supplier of the bolts, as there can be very minute differences in manufacturing.

Fast assembly with no clamps needed. This make multiple knife assembly much easier.

You can test fit the handle as many times as you want before final glue up.
The handle can be sanded to a perfect fit along the tang. This allows the tang to be fileworked after the handle scales are shaped to exact fit. On damascus blades, the tang can then be etched.

They make finishing the front of the scales easier. You just put the bolts in place without the blade and sand and polish the ends before glue up. A perfect match every time!

On handles with colored liners, you don't have to deal with "slip" when clamping them up at the same time. Ask anyone who has had this happen how many bad words he said while tearing the knife apart to re-do the handle.

They can be engraved to really make a custom pop.


Notes for the new user of Corby bolts -
Only tighten to just snug. There is no gain to making then super tight, and this can lead to handle splitting later on.
Test fit everything before glue up. If it needs adjusting to fit flush, do it and check the results. Once all is flush, glue up the handle.
Just like any handle assembly, a slight concavity of the scales makes a better fit. This way you are only dealing with the seal around the edges, and can get a much better fit. Just sand/grind/burr out the center within about 1/8" of the sides, making the center a few hundredths of an inch shallower. Just a little is all you need. Around the bolt holes, leave a 1/8" shoulder,too.
Don't put glue on the threads or in the female bolt. Just use a Q-tip or bamboo skewer to apply a little epoxy to the handle holes. Slip in the bolts and start the threads, Apply a little bead of epoxy to the head part of the shanks, and as you screw the bolts down it will smear the glue to a perfect seal.
Stainless is the hardest to finish, as overheating and burning of the wood can quickly occur. Go slow, file flush first, use fresh belts and slow speed, hand finish.

I have had pins lift, rivets pull free, screws come out, and glue fail...but I have never had a Corby come back broken. The handle, yes, the bolt, no.
 
I use squeeze type cutlers rivets and use 2 or 3 depending on the length of the handle. 3 looks better on a larger handle. I center all three as this looks best on the handle and the friction fit of these rivets are extemely strong.

Drill out the hole one size larger than the rivet to allow expansion when compressing the rivets in the handle using the vise. Drill out the scale to accomodate the head of the rivet, they sell bits for this but one can get away with using a reguler bit the same diameter of the rivet head. Before squeezing the rivets flare the female end with a drift add epoxy to both scales and carefully squeeze the rivets together with the scales on the vice until the sandwhich of scales, tang and rivet are one tight fit with epoxy oozing out. Leave it in the vice until epoxy has set. After that grind and sand to shape.
 
Great question and of course Stacy nailed it. I've copy/saved his response, so I can just quote it the next time this topic comes up. :thumbup:
 
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