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btboone said:
Hi Butch, it's a different process than TiMascus. I referred to them in my patent application. It makes a 3dimensional relieved pattern, but doesn't start with forging or similar processes. My limit is something like 20" x 30". It also works on steel (as in knifeblades.)
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ok well then i ll ask 2 more ?
how well does it heat color
can you make ooooo lets say 1.5x1.5x.5 inch
im in need of but caps for something im working on and thats about the size i would think i have to start with
butch
 
Butch, this is more of a surface treatment done to a final part. It has to do with selectively hardening specific areas and doing a process to differentiate the two hardness areas. If done on titanium, the part can be anodized. The two zones anodize at slightly different rates, so shows slightly different colors. It works on stainless and other steels as well. It does not work on tungsten, gold, silver, or aluminum, so those materials can be inlayed and the pattern goes right by an inlay without the inlay changing.
 
the material is copper and silver,i wear the top bracelet daily year round. it looks polished during the winter as i wear long sleave shirts. the other pieces are oxidized from my touching them and my bracelet is oxidized during warmer weather. my wife's bracelet looks a lot like your bracelet that is pictured,except her's is palladium white gold(no nickel content) and silver.
 
Just thought I'd add a note on how we goldsmiths make these style rings in jewelery metals (gold and platinum).The top band (mokume in this case) is made like a plain band,about two sizes too big (to allow for the base thickness).The base is channeled to fit the top and is made about 1.5 sizes too small (to allow the band to be slipped over the base).The top is pressed over the lip,and the base is expanded (with a stretching machine)until it is the proper size.This locks the top in place.This may not work with Titanium,as I am not sure how well it can be expanded/stretched.I have made mokume rings with gold/silver mokume and gold or platinum bases.As has been stated in this thread,the mokume band could be soldered in place on a titanium base.
BTW the small torch used for this kind of work usually runs on oxy/propane and two good ones are the "Little Torch" and the "Smith Torch".They are relatively inexpensive,have changeable tip sizes,and can be used with disposable oxy/propane bottles for the small time user.
 
Interesting stuff Stacy. Working with the titanium is a bit different. I don't use solder in my mokume inlay process.

I do have a Little Torch I use for other stuff. It's a great tool.
 
Stacy, that sounds a lot of effort just to make a mokume ring. there must be another dozen or so ways to make mokume rings without all the time and effort you use.
 
How's this for seamless? The wood inlay is seamless. No solder, I promise. :D

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The industry makes about a million rings a year with this process (most all two-tone bands are made this way).It is very easy.
 
Laredo7mm said:
RW - I use my mill as a vertical lathe to turn my mokume and damascus pens. I use expandable mandrels to hold everything concentric on the quill when turning the O.D. The only problem with the doing the rings that way is I would need a whole bunch of mandrels for the different ring sizes. At least with the pens, I only have three mandrels that I use.

Yes, if I could find a pre-channeled ring, I could easily inlay the mokume and annodize it blue for you. I searched the net but couldn't find a titanium channeled ring for less than $200. At least I wouldn't have to worry about melting the titanium down when I solder. ;)
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Sean with a Lathe you can make all the expandable mandrels you want
we made our own all the time in one of the shops I worked in one time..

on RW's Idea
similar to Stacy's way
why not make two rings one of each material make them a press fit to each other
heat the outer one and cool the inner and put them together for a shrink fit
no soldering fuss or muss
 
Laredo, I just realized that you are the Sean from the Pen Makers Guild. I'm in there too. I'd be happy to work with you on a channeled titanium ring. I do wholesale for a couple different guys, one of which inlays meterorite in his rings. He heads the mokume guild also.

I used to use my CNC machining center as a lathe, but I have a nice Mazak CNC lathe now. You can contact me offline if you want.
 
You guys do realize this is a year-old thread and Sean's probably not watching? :)
 
fitzo said:
You guys do realize this is a year-old thread and Sean's probably not watching? :)
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from 03-07-2005 to 03-17-2006
:rolleyes: dang that gets me almost every time :o good info added though:)
I thought Sean was peeking back in :(
 
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