More than just a knife?

My two most carried EDC knives:



I'm sure either one would work just fine for self defense although I can virtually guaranty they will never be used in that capacity.......

~John
 
You should always just walk away if you can. Even if no criminal charges are filed, you will lose thousands in defending yourself in a "wrongful death" lawsuit. Literally speaking, even if someone insults you and/or your girlfriend and you don't just walk away but insult them back or otherwise get in their face, you are "escalating" in a conflict with lethal means at your disposal. In fewer words you are FCKD legally if a fight ensues witnesses will say you could've walked away from. You'll probably lose everything you own in a civil trial. Not worth harming someone or taking a life for a little pride being lost. If you're going to carry you need to be mature.
 
A couple observations:

1. If you knew a situation was going to require a knife deployment, the very last thing you would ever want to do is wave it open with a big loud click IMHO. The wave feature is certainly fun to play with and handy when you're working & only have one hand free etc., but for self defense you want to slide your knife out as slyly as possible and conceal it behind your leg until you are in striking range at which point you stab as many times as possible to disable your opponent.

2. I know it looks cool to dress up your knife with skulls everywhere (lanyard/pocket clip etc.etc.), but if you ever actually use it against another person I think when you get to court (& if you stab somebody you WILL end up in court, right or wrong) the DA is probably going to produce in evidence your nasty skull covered knife & claim you where just looking for an excuse to attack somebody.......

~John
 
To me the Emerson knife line are knife build with purpose. What I mean is being honest I thought long, and hard before springing for an Emerson. Debated Commander, or CQC-7 as those were my choices being a southpaw.

Was kind of hard to pull the trigger on the SEVEN, as I honestly was sort of resistant to the Tanto Blade Configeration, and Chisel Grid. After several months of ownership, using, and reshapening the Tanto once. I am very sold on the Tanto as it does everything I have asked it too do. Mine is serrated.

I honestly think the Emerson Knife line is very well thought out, and the materials used in the product make my knife what I maght call a workable package. The G-10 Handle is not shinny, or sexy, but I am sure be it hot, wet, cold, or frozen weather I am in I will be able to get a grip on my knife.

Think this Emerson I personally own will soon have another Emerson for a companion in my back pocket, as I have this old Spyderco Rescue Jr. that I have owned for many years, that I may soon retire, and replace with another Emerson.

The one test I have yet to put my Emerson through, is what I call the washing machine test. this is where I leave my EDC in my jeans, wash em, and discover my EDC has been washed when I go load the dryer.

Normally I open my other knives, let them sit a top the hot dryer, until cycle is done. Never hurt any knives, and some light oil, now Frog Lube does the trick to prevent rust, and make smooth as silk post washing machine treatment.
 
Curveman said:
You should always just walk away if you can. Even if no criminal charges are filed, you will lose thousands in defending yourself in a "wrongful death" lawsuit. Literally speaking, even if someone insults you and/or your girlfriend and you don't just walk away but insult them back or otherwise get in their face, you are "escalating" in a conflict with lethal means at your disposal. In fewer words you are FCKD legally if a fight ensues witnesses will say you could've walked away from. You'll probably lose everything you own in a civil trial. Not worth harming someone or taking a life for a little pride being lost. If you're going to carry you need to be mature.
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I was not referring to pulling a knife on someone who insulted me. That is insane.

I'm talking if the situation ever occurred where someone was robbing ME, or produced a knife of their own, and evasion was not really an option, then I feel I have a decent chance at least with one of my Emersons because I do not have to produce it, then open it, then try my first move.

At least I can buy time to produce a good opportunity, and get close enough that I can instantly grab it, it opens as it comes out and I then bury it in his neck all the way to the pivot and twist if he has a gun, or same thing but drop low and slice open a quad so I can produce some space between us and he is no longer an immediate threat.

That is what I'm referring to. An insult does not warrant felonious assault! Doesn't anyone just fight anymore? That is why we bought heavy bags when I was growing up. For insults.

That is what I'm talking about.
 
jmclfrsh said:
I was not referring to pulling a knife on someone who insulted me. That is insane.

I'm talking if the situation ever occurred where someone was robbing ME, or produced a knife of their own, and evasion was not really an option, then I feel I have a decent chance at least with one of my Emersons because I do not have to produce it, then open it, then try my first move.

At least I can buy time to produce a good opportunity, and get close enough that I can instantly grab it, it opens as it comes out and I then bury it in his neck all the way to the pivot and twist if he has a gun, or same thing but drop low and slice open a quad so I can produce some space between us and he is no longer an immediate threat.

That is what I'm referring to. An insult does not warrant felonious assault! Doesn't anyone just fight anymore? That is why we bought heavy bags when I was growing up. For insults.

That is what I'm talking about.
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I second this completely. I purchased my first Emersons after I was mugged by a group of four guys in Shanghai.

I had a Spyderco Caly 3.5 and could have got to it but on a (potentially incorrect) hunch I chose not to escalate things in that way. I got away with just a few bruises, a loss of several hundred bucks and the loss of whole heap of pride.

I have no ridiculous, macho expectations about carrying a knife but I definitely want a plan B given that i can't concealed carry. FWIW, I have started Kali lessons and picked up my kickboxing whilst out here too.

I for one feel much happier carrying an Emerson and that is worth a lot in my book...

All JMHO,

Ben
 
jmclfrsh said:
I was not referring to pulling a knife on someone who insulted me. That is insane.

I'm talking if the situation ever occurred where someone was robbing ME, or produced a knife of their own, and evasion was not really an option, then I feel I have a decent chance at least with one of my Emersons because I do not have to produce it, then open it, then try my first move.

At least I can buy time to produce a good opportunity, and get close enough that I can instantly grab it, it opens as it comes out and I then bury it in his neck all the way to the pivot and twist if he has a gun, or same thing but drop low and slice open a quad so I can produce some space between us and he is no longer an immediate threat.

That is what I'm referring to. An insult does not warrant felonious assault! Doesn't anyone just fight anymore? That is why we bought heavy bags when I was growing up. For insults.

That is what I'm talking about.
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I was not accusing you of anything, I was speaking generically. In my state if the police were called even if it was "just a fight" and it could be shown that you did not just walk away and/or make every effort to deescalate, then you would not only be arrested you would lose your concealed carry permit. In today's day an age I would recommend not getting into a fight with anyone. Odds are much better than they use to be that you would have that knife in you before you thought of reaching for your own. There was a road rage incident where two "dueling cars" pulled over to fight. One of the guys pulled out a crossbow and killed one of the other guys. Argued self defense since the other car had in fact, "started it" by flashing high beams, cutting him off then pulled over and approached him. "Yep. They started it but you pulled over with deadly force capability and escalated the conflict" said the judge. The "defender" was sentenced to LIFE in prison. The surviving friend of the victim said on 60 minutes he would never get in a fight again. A dead friend for stupid pride. A good read is "In the Gravest Extreme." If he's a friend of yours, go ahead, fight if you want although I would think people would give that up with maturity past elementary school! If it's a stranger it is foolish to think that he will only make you say "uncle" and not just kill you.
 
It sucks the one fellow spent two years in prison. Seriously. I also feel the outlaw biker thing worked against them. Outlaw biker gangs have negative perceptions toward them, and the public generally feels getting rid of all of them is the best solution. So I'm not surprised. Lesser of two evils? Naw, two evils.

But you know what? He's still alive. Had he not done that, HE might be the one in a box, HE might be drooling all over himself at this very moment in a wheelchair with permanent brain damage.

He got two years for being in an outlaw biker gang. Just like OJ is doing the time he is (more than normal for that type of robbery) because everyone knows what he did before. He is now being punished for that as well as continuing to be a dumbass.

It might have been the worst decision he ever made, but it is not the worst one he could have made. A good slice to disable the other guy might have been looked at differently. Bad situation altogether.
 
jmorton10 said:
I would think long and hard before pulling a knife for "self defense"

A buddy of mine who rides in an outlaw motorcycle club, did just the opposite a number of years ago.

He was attacked by a member of another club swinging a baseball bat. He pulled out his well worn Buck 110 and stabbed his attacker 3 times. The dude he stabbed died 3 days later of massive internal injuries.

It seemed like a clear cut case of self defense (there where a number of witnesses), but he was charged with 2nd degree murder. He spent well over two years in Wende Correctional Facility unable to make a half million dollar bail waiting for trial. His club did a number of fund raisers to build up his defense fund and finally got him released on bail & hired a prominent defense lawyer.

He finally cut a deal with the prosecutor (he was too scared to take a chance on a guilty verdict in a trial) to cop to a manslaughter charge & was released for "time served" but not before racking up almost $100,000 in legal fees & agreeing to a felony conviction. After release, he had to report to a parole officer for ten years.

The crazy thing was, he had plenty of room at the time of the altercation to simply turn & flee but was too "macho" to do it. He told me years later that the decision to "stand & fight" was the worst mistake he had ever made in his life.

~John
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Great story John. Thanks for sharing. I have one that is similar but I have two buddies that read my posts that wouldn't be too keen on me sharing mine.

I would never use a knife to harm anyone UNLESS I simply had no choice. I used to be of the belief because my Dad always told us " you ALWAYS have a choice".....my Dad is a smart man but that is simply not "always" true. If I couldn't get away and someone started to pummeling me I can promise the pummeler would learn quickly what it felt like to be kissed by My Surgical Steeled Emerson Knife and it wouldn't matter which one if he could pick....not that he would get to choose. ;-)

Back to your story. That's not good. That wasn't fair. All the other things I could add. Glad your pal at least got out in one piece. Definitely makes one think. But I have thought the scenario over more than enough to know that if I ain't allowed to leave....well. That is no choice.
 
Curveman said:
I was not accusing you of anything, I was speaking generically. In my state if the police were called even if it was "just a fight" and it could be shown that you did not just walk away and/or make every effort to deescalate, then you would not only be arrested you would lose your concealed carry permit. In today's day an age I would recommend not getting into a fight with anyone. Odds are much better than they use to be that you would have that knife in you before you thought of reaching for your own. There was a road rage incident where two "dueling cars" pulled over to fight. One of the guys pulled out a crossbow and killed one of the other guys. Argued self defense since the other car had in fact, "started it" by flashing high beams, cutting him off then pulled over and approached him. "Yep. They started it but you pulled over with deadly force capability and escalated the conflict" said the judge. The "defender" was sentenced to LIFE in prison. The surviving friend of the victim said on 60 minutes he would never get in a fight again. A dead friend for stupid pride. A good read is "In the Gravest Extreme." If he's a friend of yours, go ahead, fight if you want although I would think people would give that up with maturity past elementary school! If it's a stranger it is foolish to think that he will only make you say "uncle" and not just kill you.
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Thanks for the tip Curveman on the good read. I am a reading fool, which my personal library can attest to. Ha! I will definitely find out about the book and read it. Looking forward to it now. I love when I know a good read is on the way. Thanks again.:-)
 
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