Most injury prone lock types?

I've never had a lock of any kind fail and I've been carrying knives for almost 50 years.

All my wounds have been due to being careless or getting distracted and not paying attention. All had to do with wiping the blade or cutting incorrectly, never from opening or closing the knife.

Knarfeng pretty much sums up my experience too. I have been carrying knives for 50 years or so and have never had a lock failure on any knife. I have only ever been cut twice (knock wood), once was my own damn fault and the other was courtesy of someone else. If you give a knife the respect it is due, it will take care of you. If you don't respect the knife, well, it will still take care of you, only not the way you want.
 
Wow, what a pleasant surprise from BF. I was REALLY expecting this to just be a huge liner-lock bashfest.

I constantly play with my knives and I've never cut myself doing it. Heck even my E.T. hasn't bit me and those are notorious maneaters.
 
The only lock that I had fail on me was a liner lock. Not because the lock was poor or weak, it was because I was being stupid with a knife and I got what I deserved.:eek:
 
I also never cut myself while opening or closing a folder. I think that is because I always try to pay attention to what I'm doing, even when I'm "playing" with the blade (that's if you can ever play with something like a blade). In fact, the last time that I can remember cutting myself with a blade I'm carrying was when I was a kid and didn't consciously pay attention to what I was doing.
 
I have tried Lockbacks and linerlocks +slipjoints. Mostly slipjoints. Never cut myself when folding any of them. That said I think that the lockback is the most reliably system to keep a folding knife open. And easyest to operate. I wont ever by a linerlock again, not because they are bad, Its just a matter of personal taste.

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For me the only part that needs to happen quickly, if at all, is the opening, i see absolutely no need to close the knife fast, so by that train of thought, no matter what type of lock im closing, i close it in a nice controlled manner every time, thus if i watch what im doing and take it slow, i dont get bit by the knife when closing it. But i use a liner lock(emerson CQC-8) everyday and its never gonna fail if i use it in the correct manner, same goes with all types of locks, IMO. But AXIS locks do keep my fingers far away from the blade, the way i close them, so as for the safest for being bit while closing, id go with that:D
 
I'm typing this with band-aids on my left thumb and right index finger. The result, over two days, of playing with ..........

What are your experiences/thoughts on the subject?

I feel to fully answer your question, severity of the injury should be considered. I was working on preparing a list of knife-related injuries prioritized by length of hospital stay with a secondary emphasis on number of follow up visits/therapy.

While typing this list (that I have now deleted) it became apparent that most of these mishaps occurred with fixed blades, and none of them occurred as a fault of a locking mechanism. i.e. knife was safely deployed, locked and used for some period of time before I carelessly contacted a body part...upon removal (when applicable), the knife was still locked, and my own stupidity was to blame.

Interesting topic, but I tend to agree with the sentiment that the user is always at fault in the event of a mishap. That said, the user should choose equipment he/she is comfortable with, and maintain/check it frequently.
 
I think lock reliability has more to do with design and manufacturing quality of the knife than the type of lock.

Of the 200 or so knives I've owned over the past 40 years, only 2 had locks that failed. In one case the knife failed even a very light spine whack. In the other case, the knife closed and cut me, although luckily it was not too bad. I honestly don't think it was user error. The first knife was a lockback, the second was a frame lock.

I have locks I trust that are frame lock, liner lock, lockback, and axis. But, I try to keep in mind that any lock could fail if misused, and locks are not foolproof. For some cutting chores, I tend to use a fixed blade instead of a folder.

I agree that other than the one lock failure, the cuts I've received are the result of user error, and some, like the OP, came about while mindlessly playing with a knife by opening and closing it without due care. :o I haven't noticed one lock type noticeably being better or safer than others when it comes to mindless knife play.
 
For me the only part that needs to happen quickly, if at all, is the opening, i see absolutely no need to close the knife fast, so by that train of thought, no matter what type of lock im closing, i close ...
Well put! :thumbup:
 
Most cuts are the result of user error and not the fault of the knife, the maker or manufacturer. However, there are legit accidents that occur when using a folder even when using one for something that most would agree the knife in question should be able to do reliably and well such as cutting down a card board box.

Then again there are other accidents that involve falling for hype. For example if a folder is sold as a defensive weapon for hard use and you use it for such because you just believe the add since the guy promoting them says its capable of it. Thats a dangerous "faith based" situation IMO. A gentleman that once posted here did something with his liner lock folder he thought it should be able to handle when he hard stabbed it into the head of an alligator trying to get into his boat while fishing. He expected that the knife should perform as advertised when he saw it hard stabbed in a phone book at a show but the truth is he not only lost the knife but got a nasty cut and a trip to the ER for sutures when the lock defeated.

If you expect to use the knife to do normal tasks and the knife fails in normal tasks its one thing but just a small amount of time researching each lock type and learning a bit to increase your level of intelligence about how they are built added with some common sense can aid you greatly in the area of safety. Just skipping over some adds in any current magazine on the market you can see that a lot of hype is used in marketing and many times the hype shows the knives being used for things that would instantly void the warranty if you were to do it with the one you buy. This should throw up red flags to potential customers right there if you ask me but instead it goes unnoticed for the most part by end line users that it would constitute abuse under the warranty, so learning to discern the hype from reality can help with safety also regardless of the knife or lock type you select.

If you ask me what knives are the safest.

Fixed blades first of course but since you are speaking of folders I'm going to discuss my favorites.
I find I trust a well done frame lock as much as anything anymore but a lot of lockbacks are very reliable and I feel confident in many of them also but honestly I have never liked having to base my finger safety on faith and since you can't see the actual lock up to know how well or how 'not so well' the lock up is on a lock back folder this alone demands caution when using one. This is why I personally prefer to buy lock backs that can be taken apart to examine. Models like the Manix, Mini Manix, and Cold Steel's Ultimate Hunter have all impressed me. I feel pretty good about my Cold Steel Mini Lawman too now that I am mentioning Cold Steel. This lock is probably among the strongest looking lockbacks I've seen to examine even above one of the Fulcrum II knives by Extreme Ratio which was about as tank built as you could ask for.

I like the Axial lock by Paul Poehlmann next for strength and reliable function in use. This is a marvelous lock really and quite ingenious. It locks both closed and opened making it double secure. I've found these to be rather small folders for the most part but they have at Lone Wolf knives in recent years started offering some models in a bigger size for this lock type. The draw back is they are not the most convenient one hand openers and closers on the market. Otherwise they are quite good though.

I've had some old Boker and Hubertus lever locks that were quite impressive for reliable strong functioning locks. To me these instilled a great deal of confidence in me particularly when I had the opportunity to see the actual diameter of some of the pins that were responsible for locking the blade opened on certain models. It would take a great deal of force to shear a pin that big around so as long as the spring locked the blade open and the pivot tension was good to prevent a lot of blade play I saw no reason why even in some of the lesser quality models sporting this type of lock should ever defeat in use. On some of these lever locking knives I've seen the insides of, the pivot pin was smaller in diameter than the lock pin was so it would seem the pivot would be the first to give under a great deal of stress. The draw back on these type locks is that most are automatics and you may or may not be able to carry one legally in your area.

The Spyderco Ball lock seems quite nice to me also and it is less likely to be bumped closed in use compared to other similar type locking mechanisms. In fact many of the earlier models are hard to close without concerted effort and I rather like that personally about my Dodo model in this lock and my wife's Poliwog which she uses religiously and quite hard at times. The coil spring is much better for long term life in this type lock also compared to the Omega springs of the Axis lock too. I'd trust these locks mentioned above more than any I mention after this personally.

Axis locks: I like these a lot and they work well but in some uses it is questionable if the lock button could be moved to release the blade accidentally in the worst possible times. Some of the testers for defensive knives seem to agree with this finding by me as I've played with my own. Much as I like my Mini Hardtail BenchMade I still keep that in mind whenever I use it. I'd like this lock better if the button locked in the open position personally. This would be a great improvement to me at least on the ones sold as "tactical" users like the HK14205 which is another one I really like a lot by BenchMade. If the button locked in position when the blade was opened I'd give it a higher rating than the Axial lock by Paul sold first by Gerber and now being sold by Lone Wolf Knives.

The SOG Arc lock does move to release very easily even from a bump. I've had some of those, one just recently that although apparently a good lock and a quality made folder, it only seemed to be trustworthy so long as you stay away from the button when using it. Since the button protruded some this did scare me for how little movement was required to let the blade close so don't bump that button in use or it will free the blade.

Button locks scare me also and for the same reasons as the Arc locks. Lever locks are very reliable in contrast to these though as I mentioned above.

Liner locks are another lock type that quite frankly scares me. They can exhibit great strength when they work. However, they have such a track record for defeats among users and are so often made cheaply by so many manufactures mass producing what appear to be nice knives that are accidents waiting to happen that anyone buying one should be cautioned to use always alert to the possibility that one can defeat without warning. Due the rate of change seen in this lock type because of the nature of the design where the lock constantly self corrects for wear there is really no guarantee that the lock will perform the same way each time its opened since it can in fact minutely change over time as it wears and moves in further and further to keep the lock up solid.

As a result of this and more I rate this one dead last in my own personal ratings for lock reliability. Lock backs typically are not as strong as liner locks but they do make up for it in reliability where they beat the liner type hands down. The only thing I do like about the liner lock is the convenience of use and the fact that you can see at a glance if the lock is connected to the blade or if obstructions are in the way of it compared to some of the other types. In my mind if I'm going to carry a lock of this type I'll just take the open build frame lock in thicker materials. This way I have all the same convenience, features and so on but in a more reliable better wearing platform.
If and when I do carry a liner lock for anything more than casual carry gentleman uses its a Para Military with a compression lock which is more reliable and stronger. I don't care for how some of the models pinched me when manipulating the lock though. The Yojimbo did this to me terribly. It actually hurt. Anyway thats my thoughts off the top of my head. As I said though I find that a well done frame lock meets all my criteria for getting into one for a reasonable amount, being readily available, legal to carry, reliable and strong enough to provide adequate confidence for most uses.

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I think this one has the highest rate of user self-injury. Look at it! It's an accident waiting to happen!

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