Most useless survival tool

Yeah, el cheapo wire saws and hollow handled knives gave all wire saws and hollow handle knives a bad reputation to be sure. There are also a lot of cheap "fish-eye" compasses out there as well, for years. I see them when I go out all the time, people rely on them because they don't know any better.

I think, upon reflection, just about the most useless piece of kit that I have read many, many times that people want to carry are lockpicking devices. Most people that think they are going to need that sort of thing pick up a POS "SouthOrd" set from some dealer selling them off to kids and morons and think they are going to perform like Jason Bourne or whatever with them. They are going to be in for a rude awakening if they rely on them. So, in that one aspect, it is the skillsets that make it a bad choice because I don't think most people are really interested in learning how to use them as much as they are interested in having some sort of talisman against threats of "no entry" in some horrible situation, etc.
 
There are lots of interesting answers, here.

I try not to have useless stuff in my kit:

http://www.mikespinak.com/articles/Essays/e995mypsk.html

As for stuff I've seen in other people's survival kits, I think the least useful item I regularly see is a very tiny quantity of food. Some people carry a few hard candies, a cube or two of beef boullion, a tea bag, or an energy bar.

Just to be clear, I don't at all think these are useless, but I would guess that a couple butterscotch candies, or such, will make the least difference between life and death, in a true survival situation.
 
Magnussen, I carry chemlights for signal tools or marking my lines when camping so I dont trip over them at night. If you tie a length of cordage to one and swing it in circles like those damn ravers do, it makes a very quick and easily visable signal at night.

I used to work for Wells Fargo Alarm Service, full time on midnight shift. When I had to search incredibly huge warehouses and other types of buildings, I kept some in the map bag and the tool bag. They used to have high intensity ones that only lasted about 15 or 20 minutes or so. I would crack one and send it flying and skipping across the floor to make sure I wasn't going to get shot for my trouble. :D
 
Yeah, el cheapo wire saws and hollow handled knives gave all wire saws and hollow handle knives a bad reputation to be sure. There are also a lot of cheap "fish-eye" compasses out there as well, for years. I see them when I go out all the time, people rely on them because they don't know any better.

I think, upon reflection, just about the most useless piece of kit that I have read many, many times that people want to carry are lockpicking devices. Most people that think they are going to need that sort of thing pick up a POS "SouthOrd" set from some dealer selling them off to kids and morons and think they are going to perform like Jason Bourne or whatever with them. They are going to be in for a rude awakening if they rely on them. So, in that one aspect, it is the skillsets that make it a bad choice because I don't think most people are really interested in learning how to use them as much as they are interested in having some sort of talisman against threats of "no entry" in some horrible situation, etc.


My lockpick is a stanley Fubar, and my universal key is a brick.:D
 
J....

I can see your use for them... I have never needed them for those reasons... just can't get past the "one time" use.

Couldn't you just swing an LED headlamp in the same way? .... even a nice piece of smouldering punkwood would do, wouldn't it?

Thanks, bro.
 
I used to work for Wells Fargo Alarm Service, full time on midnight shift. When I had to search incredibly huge warehouses and other types of buildings, I kept some in the map bag and the tool bag. They used to have high intensity ones that only lasted about 15 or 20 minutes or so. I would crack one and send it flying and skipping across the floor to make sure I wasn't going to get shot for my trouble. :D

Thatsa great idea. Couldve saved your life!! Ive never seen HID ones. Im gonna look for some to play with!!:D
 
My lockpick is a stanley Fubar, and my universal key is a brick.:D

Don't get me wrong, if people actually want to learn how to do it, it is viable. It's unpleasant getting locked up when you are really trying to survive some disaster, assuming that would happen with the Blue Flu going on, etc. I just think that most people that say they carry the stuff don't really have any idea what they are doing with it beyond reading some stuff online. It's not a ferrocerium rod, you don't just have it and know how to properly construct a fire, use cotton or steel wool and strike the thing and POOF! You have fire. It's a lot more involved than that...
 
Thatsa great idea. Couldve saved your life!! Ive never seen HID ones. Im gonna look for some to play with!!:D

I just checked bestglide.com and they have a five minute high intensity Cyalume stick, but it is in orange. IIRC, mine were white and 15 min. They might not make them anymore. I can throw one across a concrete floor farther than my old Sure-Fire 9P could throw. 8-)
 
Magnussen,

I carry a cheap butane torch. I agree, they are likely to prove unreliable. If mine doesn't work, I have a number of back up methods of ignition which are more reliable, and which I'm proficient with. However, when they do work, they have certain advantages over regular lighters: Your thumb isn't right next to the flame, getting burnt, if you need to hold it for a few seconds; they can emit a flame at any angle; they are much hotter, allowing you to use damn near anything from cookies to a shoe as tinder, when necessary.
 
J....

I can see your use for them... I have never needed them for those reasons... just can't get past the "one time" use.

Couldn't you just swing an LED headlamp in the same way? .... even a nice piece of smouldering punkwood would do, wouldn't it?

Thanks, bro.

Yeah the one time use thing is the kicker. LED headlamp would work. Piece of smoldering wood would as well. Wonder what the visability comparison would be.:confused: Maybe a test is in order:cool:

I got my boys some of those reuseable lightsticks for christmas a few years back at wal mart. Cheap(like 3 bucks) and ran off watch batteries. I tell ya they lasted a year for my boys w/ them leaving hem on all night, and doing what kids do. Good buy. I use one on my camelback when riding at night.

Great ideas and thoughts on improvisation bro...:thumbup:
 
Don't get me wrong, if people actually want to learn how to do it, it is viable. It's unpleasant getting locked up when you are really trying to survive some disaster, assuming that would happen with the Blue Flu going on, etc. I just think that most people that say they carry the stuff don't really have any idea what they are doing with it beyond reading some stuff online. It's not a ferrocerium rod, you don't just have it and know how to properly construct a fire, use cotton or steel wool and strike the thing and POOF! You have fire. It's a lot more involved than that...

You got that right!! Especially the newer locks they make. Alot harder to pick!!
 
The toughest to pick is still, after all of these years, Medeco. There have been people that have devised ways to hookum-snivey the key cuts if they get a look at the key. Something that really cranked Medeco's tool a few months back because the people that figured it out put the info online, but as far as picking them, it's basically a no-go in the real world. Mul-T-Lock is pickable, contrary to what your local Locksmith might tell you...
 
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Anything over a pound or longer than my forearm.


You mean like an ax?

I think axes are great for vehicle kits, but I'm not hauling one in my pack. I can take a much larger range of gear for the weight and space taken by an axe. The smaller ones are pretty much useless, IMHO and I've owned them.

I have a 14" Fiskars with a kit in the handle that I like, but I wouldn't take it hiking. I had a Vaughan Sub Zero that was just too small and light to be effective as a wood-cutter. My understanding is that these small axes were originally kitchen axes, used for splitting kindling for the wood stove. I could see using one for lighter wood working, notching and fine splitting, but not much good for quick shelter making and real firewood gathering in a tight spot.

On the other hand, folding saws are much lighter and can cut shelter and firewood quickly and safely.

The idea is to have a small light kit with you whenever you step onto the trail. The kit should cover the essentials: water, food, fire, shelter, clothing, first aid, signaling and navigation.

*Water
You would normally carry water, but a spare container and some means of purification should be worked into a kit. I add a one liter Platypus bladder with several Micro Pur packets taped to it. Working in a boiler container is good in many ways.

*Food
Other than carrying your normal meals on a hike, you should have an energy bar or some hard candy in your kit-- read extra food. Then comes food gathering items-- a small fishing kit and snare wire. Learning which wild plants are edible in your area should be part of your training.

*Fire
I carry multiple means of making fire as well as training to make and use fire bows and sticks to make a fire. I carry a firesteel, weatherproof matches, and a small butane lighter, as well as tinder and a fuel tablet. I also carry a knife or multi-tool with a saw to help cut wood. My main knife is large and tough enough to baton if needed. If I'm going to to be in rough country and solo, then a folding saw might be added.

If going with a group, I think it is a good idea for each person in the group to carry a larger tool or item that can contribute to the survival of the group, as well as their own PSK's. One person could carry a saw, another might have a 2-way radio, another could carry a rope, larger first aid kit, etc.

*Shelter and clothing
I carry a Space Blanket or bivy sack and count that as emergency shelter and additional clothing. Normally have extra insulation and a poncho shelter too. I've incorporated large garbage bags into many kits, which can be worn as rain gear, used as a partial bivy sack, or split open and used to waterproof a lean-to roof or as a ground sheet.

*First aid
I carry one of the Adventure Medical .3 or .5 kits as my personal kit. I add meds like Benedryl, and one-use sunscreen and bug repellent. I also carry a bandana and duct tape that can be used for improvised first aid.

*Signaling
I carry a whistle in my PSK, along with a small LED flashlight, a mirror, and some surveyor's tape. I add a mini felt tip marker to leave messages-- blaze a tree and write on the inner bark.

*Navigation
I normally carry a good sighting compass with a mirror-- A Brunton 8099 or a Suunto MC2. I think a back-up compass is mandatory. I've made paracord bracelets that incorporated a watchband compass (and a whistle buckle). Most of my kits just use a Brunton or Silva keychain/zipper pull type compass. They aren't meant for precise navigation, but they will get you headed in the right direction.

I carry a map in my main pack and I have carried photocopies for a backup, particularly before laminated maps were available. I don't carry maps in my survival kit, and I would need to rely on my knowledge of the area. I do study my hike with 3d maps or Google Earth, so I have a good idea what I am getting into. I own a GPS, but I would not rely on one in a tight spot. Heavy foliage, dead batteries and mechanical malfunctions make them Murphy's Law toys. Compasses *work* and a few hour of study and practice should allow you to do basic navigation with one.

*Tools
Part of the fire/shelter/food items means having tools. Axes work, but as I've said, they are heavy and large for what they deliver. I EDC a Leatherman Micra or SAK Classic, along with a folding knife, and on workdays, a multi-tool. In the woods, my kits include a couple single-edge razor blades, and a Micra or Classic. A like an SAK Farmer or Fieldmaster rather than a multi-tool in the woods. If you are using a bike or something with a motor, then I think a multi-tool is a good choice.

I do carry a fixed-blade knife-- a mora or a Fallkniven F1. If I'm really wanting a full kit, then I can add a folding saw like the Kershaw/Bahco Laplander or the Fiskars 7" pruning saw.

Part of "tools" for me includes lights-- small coin-cell LED's, AAA or AA headlamp, and my favorite, the AAA Fenix flashlights.

I round it out with tools to improvise-- several kinds of line and string, braided nylon seine twine, Kevlar Mule tape, and a flat pack of duct tape. The Mule tape is what I use for bear-bagging my food sack and is not part of my PSK, but it is in my pack. There is super glue in my first aid kit, along with a hotel "freebie" style sewing kit. My fishing/food gathering kit has a small bundle of snare wire too.


So, all said and done, my PSK is 8 ounces, minus the larger tools like the fixed blade knife and/or saw. It all fits in a one liter waterproof silnylon stuff sack (which can double to carry water). An decent axe weighs more, takes up a bunch of room and only only covers crude cutting and chopping. I rest my case (or PSK).
 
:jerkit:CONDOMS ! Unless you plan on getting "Lucky" on the trail they are pretty much useless.
Yeah, all of us with military survival training have never really had to try any of this in the field, or on the trail as some granola crunching hiker would say.

:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:
 
I think you are mistaken or ill-informed about the axe's capabilities... but this is the wrong thread to discuss it. In fact, after the first few paragraphs the entire post went off-topic. There are a multitude of threads that deal with this topic. You've just opened a can of worms should we get into the so called "necessities" in a PSK discussion.

Lets keep it to the original question.
 
I have a folding saw that has lived in my back-pack for years. I've never used it. I guess it's still there because ... it's supposed to be?
 
that would be my brother in law melvin, total waste of skin, he is quite a tool, hope i woud never be in survival situation with him as we woudl both be goners.

alex
 
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