Mountain Lion Deterrant

Cobalt said:
yup and the fact that it is a bullmastiff tells me that it has not had combat in it's background for half a century, so it would get it's ass handed to it in a fight. But there is a good chance the animal will runoff before the fight begins. I wold still rather have a pit bull terrier even if it is smaller, it is relentless and will not stop. Even if the pit died, it would give it's owner the chance to either get away or help the dog and kill the animal while it's busy on the dog.

Most people do not realize how powerfull a cougar is. Pound for pound it is one of the strongest cats in the world.
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i think its a mastiff, isnt the bull mastiff shorter?
 
Cobalt said:
yup and the fact that it is a bullmastiff tells me that it has not had combat in it's background for half a century, so it would get it's ass handed to it in a fight.
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It isn't a bullmastiff, which you are correct in pointing out hasn't been a working dog for a very long time. It is a South African Boerboel. An example: http://www.african-boerboel.co.za/

A working dog to this day, it is the only genetically healthy giant breed left. They protect against African wildlife, animal and human. They'd do a fairly good job against bear, if only by sheer size and agressive attitude.

'Course, if the dog gets between momma grizzly and baby grizzly, it better have a well armed human behind it, or it's dead.
 
Cobalt said:
I wold still rather have a pit bull..
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The first bullmastiff I had got attacked by a pit once. Back then I didn't know my dog was even able to defend himself. He was slow as shit and often got bit by little jappers, to the point where blood was running down his neck. He would just shake them off and look with the utmost disgust at the little viscious puss lickers. Once he peed all over one, but that was all he did.

When the pit jumped him it was different. My dog was on a leash, the pit wasn't. I didn't really see what was goign on, it just felt he leash being ripped out of my hand, that's how fast it happened. It lasted for about 10 seconds, then I saw the pitbull flying about 5 feet through the air, and that was the end of it. The pit didn't seem to be hurt badly, but he bolted really quick.
 
having two dogs and living in the mountains, my wife just calls our dogs bait, they will give us just time to get away.
 
Dog Man said:
It isn't a bullmastiff, which you are correct in pointing out hasn't been a working dog for a very long time. It is a South African Boerboel. An example: http://www.african-boerboel.co.za/

A working dog to this day, it is the only genetically healthy giant breed left. They protect against African wildlife, animal and human. They'd do a fairly good job against bear, if only by sheer size and agressive attitude.

'Course, if the dog gets between momma grizzly and baby grizzly, it better have a well armed human behind it, or it's dead.
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Isn't a Boerboel a South African bullmastiff crossbreed?
 
Walt-FL said:
The first bullmastiff I had got attacked by a pit once. Back then I didn't know my dog was even able to defend himself. He was slow as shit and often got bit by little jappers, to the point where blood was running down his neck. He would just shake them off and look with the utmost disgust at the little viscious puss lickers. Once he peed all over one, but that was all he did.

When the pit jumped him it was different. My dog was on a leash, the pit wasn't. I didn't really see what was goign on, it just felt he leash being ripped out of my hand, that's how fast it happened. It lasted for about 10 seconds, then I saw the pitbull flying about 5 feet through the air, and that was the end of it. The didn't seem to be hurt badly, but he bolted really quick.
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that was a mongrel pit. Your dog would have been killed had that been a real pit bull terrier. Count your dog lucky. I saw an English Mastiff at an AKC show run amock on a 45 lb American Stafforshire terrier, the AKC version of the pit. This big mastiff jumped the little dog and I thought he was a gonner, but that little pit just got this strange look on his face and clamped onto the big dogs leg and shook so hard that big dog starting screaming like a banshee. It tool 20 people to catch and coral that big dog at the ther end of the show. The Amstaff was non the worse for wear.

At a pit show in riverside california I saw a 55 lb pit pull 6,500 lbs in the weight pulling competition and I also saw a 33 lb female pull 3,900 lbs. Pound for pound there is no stronger dog and possibly no stronger animal. They can be amazing, unfortunately the bad people also know this and use them for nasty stuff and give the dogs a bad name. I have several neighbors that have pits and they are all friendly dogs. But I always make sure my dog goes no where near them, since my dog acts tough and I don't want him getting clobbered by a pit or any other dog for that matter.
 
Morimotom,
You're right, nothing is going to survive a grizzly attack. The problem though, is that if a griz hears you wandering through the woods, mostly likely it's going to head in the other direction. If you go out with a dog, your dog is going to find and bark at the griz, so instead of running off, the griz goes into attack mode. Your dog will naturally run right back to you, bringing the bear with it.
As to protecting you against a mountain lion or black bear attack, possibly, but my uneducated opinion is that most dogs have that sort of attack/defend bred out of them way to much these days. This particular dog might do a good job, but my half pit would try hard and get swatted like a fly. :)
Guess I was trying to say that while a dog might help you in that situation, if you didn't have a dog you wouldn't get into the situation in the first place.

Dave
 
No situation is going to help you with an Angry Grizzly except for a tall tree or a 500 sw magnum.

The discovery channel just had a show on Black bears being murdered in Yellow stone park. 4 murders. The crime scenes were wierd. One was a black bears head mounted on a pile of wood with no other remains. The other was a black bears paws laying in a pile with it's skin turned inside out. Another was an intact black bear with a crushed skull and shattered jaw. All were traced back to Grizzly.
 
I have no knowledge of any of that Cobalt. If you have can provide any links to that Black Bear death/murders, I would be very happy to receive them.. What I do know about Grizz Bear is that he is one very smart and cunning killer.
 
sunnyd said:
I have no knowledge of any of that Cobalt. If you have can provide any links to that Black Bear death/murders, I would be very happy to receive them.. What I do know about Grizz Bear is that he is one very smart and cunning killer.
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just saw the show on one of the discovery channels. Just log onto discovery and search under black bear or grizzly. It was an interesting show.
 
sunnyd said:
I have no knowledge of any of that Cobalt. If you have can provide any links to that Black Bear death/murders, I would be very happy to receive them.. What I do know about Grizz Bear is that he is one very smart and cunning killer.
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i read that somewhere too about the grizzly killing other bears. ill try and find the article as well.
 
Walt-FL said:
Isn't a Boerboel a South African bullmastiff crossbreed?
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Sorta' ,but not quite. The Boerboel predates the Bullmastiff by hundreds of years. Take some 1600's and 1700's mastiffs and bulldogs, bring them to southern Africa with the Boers, cross in some native African breeds, and...presto, chango...the magnificent Boerboel.

The only giant breed I'd ever consider owning.
 
Cobalt said:
that was a mongrel pit. Your dog would have been killed had that been a real pit bull terrier. Count your dog lucky. I saw an English Mastiff at an AKC show run amock on a 45 lb American Stafforshire terrier, the AKC version of the pit. This big mastiff jumped the little dog and I thought he was a gonner, but that little pit just got this strange look on his face and clamped onto the big dogs leg and shook so hard that big dog starting screaming like a banshee. It tool 20 people to catch and coral that big dog at the ther end of the show. The Amstaff was non the worse for wear.

At a pit show in riverside california I saw a 55 lb pit pull 6,500 lbs in the weight pulling competition and I also saw a 33 lb female pull 3,900 lbs. Pound for pound there is no stronger dog and possibly no stronger animal. They can be amazing, unfortunately the bad people also know this and use them for nasty stuff and give the dogs a bad name. I have several neighbors that have pits and they are all friendly dogs. But I always make sure my dog goes no where near them, since my dog acts tough and I don't want him getting clobbered by a pit or any other dog for that matter.
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Could not agree more. Well said. Most people don't realize that the reason the Pit Bull became the premier dog fighting dog was not due to absolute physical strength. There are plenty of breeds that are vastly stronger. A Neapolitan Mastiff, for example, could have a Pit Bull for lunch, if strength was the only factor.

What the Pit Bull has, as you know, in orders of magnitude greater than any breed, is tenacity. What the old time dog fighters referred to as "gameness". The willingness to fight despite pain, despite injury, without ever giving up.

Also unknown by most is that by the original English rules of dog fighting, which were strictly enforced, lead to the dog that first gave up...refused to continue the fight...to lose. A dog didn't "win" a fight. Rather, one dog "lost", the other won by default, by being the last one willing to continue the fight.

None of this bears any resemblance to what passes today for dog fighting: wannabe rapper stars standing around, siccing their poor, abused, poorly bred, poorly raised, poorly trained, dogs on each other, seeing who can kill the other. These dog fighters have reserved slots in Hell.

It's ironic that one of the Pit Bulls more admirable qualities...tenacity in all things...was developed by such a despicable "sport".
 
maybe the wannabe rappers should fight and let the dogs watch:D
 
MORIMOTOM said:
id pay to watch that. ive seen these dogs and their owners, scumbags every single one of them.
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I had one guy try to justify This To me by saying it was cruel to not let them fight since this is what they are bread for.

I made some comments about his own breeding that i wont repeat on a public forum.

If we would just Put the owners to sleep this practice would stop quickly
 
MORIMOTOM said:
the instances of mountain lion attacks in ca that i am aware of are the result of construction encroaching into their hunting territory and driving off their food sources. since their area is about 100 square miles, iirc, they may return to a specific place and find it has no deer, but only housepets and joggers running on trails.

when they get hungry enough, they attack whatever is available.
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Not true. An attack last year near Bakersfield was nowhere near any construction, it was up in the mountains (I believe the area had been hit hard by a wildfire, so the food supply for the lions was thin). And the most recent attack in Kalifornia took place in Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park, an area not know for development.

I know someone who was charged by a lion last year in Sequoia National Park, a good distance from any development, and with a large surrounding area of undisturbed land. Her description of the event made it clear that the lion was interested in her as food.
 
lambertiana said:
Not true. An attack last year near Bakersfield was nowhere near any construction, it was up in the mountains (I believe the area had been hit hard by a wildfire, so the food supply for the lions was thin). And the most recent attack in Kalifornia took place in Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park, an area not know for development.

I know someone who was charged by a lion last year in Sequoia National Park, a good distance from any development, and with a large surrounding area of undisturbed land. Her description of the event made it clear that the lion was interested in her as food.
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interesting. again, i only mention the ones i know of. i didnt intend to imply that all attacks were as such.

and an area of attack may not be in development, but development may have driven the animal from its original territory or lessened its territory.

maybe not in the instances you mention though. i dont know.
 
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