Mountain Lions eat well in Calif. OT

Originally posted by munk
For Josh in particular; hunting saved the javelina in AZ, and countless other species in all States. I believe the black bear situation in Calif has improved. I do not know what happened to the Black bear in your area in Calif. I do not believe regulated hunting was to blame.

That depends on your definition of "improved." In Southern California, the black bear has moved into areas that they have not occupied historically. The territory used to belong to the Grizzly, which is now gone. Like coyotes, the smaller black bears are very adaptable to human incursion.

I know there are mountain lions in my backyard (literally!), but I have never seen them. I'd like to keep it that way on both counts.;)
 
way too much attention is on things like, "historically" There is no "historically". Animals and humans will live where they can. The world changes. Coyotes adapt. The poor Rattlesnake, admired by scientists as the most evolved, has gone down a bit of a dead end path: the dominant species hates their guts and semitrucks and autos do not hear their warning rattle the way Buffalo presumably did.
BTW; did anyone see a photo of the now dead Mt Lion? Most predation by cats is by 2 year old males, displaced by older males and forced out. This cat was huge, bigger than two years in the brief look I had.

also, where did this happen? I want to know if So Cal's fires have displaced a few lions....

munk
 
While this happened only about 50 miles as the crow flies from me, I'd hate to have it open season on the cats. Me thinks the real problem is that folks enter the back country with expectations that there are no risks. They discount the terrain, the elements, and the critters thinking that all such are as conquered as their backyard. It simply isn't so - just wishful simple thinking by those that should know better. Even in SoCal we have spots near as removed from civilization as Mars. You go there at some risk and you should be prepared for the reality.
 
also, where did this happen? I want to know if So Cal's fires have displaced a few lions....
Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park in southern Orange County.
 
I have no problem with a limited take on Mtn Lions that keeps the population in balance with the available wilderness area. I find the idea of running the Lions with dogs intriguing for the purpose of instilling these animals with a healthy fear of people as that would be a good thing. I accept the value of good game management through controlled hunting and the value of the price of game tags going to fund State Fish & Game. I have done very little hunting myself but my brother has, as he says, "gone out and shot Bambi, Smokey, Thumper, Donald, and a bunch of other woodland creatures". I don't consider him an ogre and brute for this activity. I do agree with you that the majority of social/political sentiment in CA is very liberal or at least very supportive of a liberal social agenda. I do own firearms myself and know how to use and regularly maintain them. I don't question your information on the number of hunting accidents here in CA. My issue on this matter is strictly safety in such a built up area as SoCal is. My concern for safety also extends to those individuals who would choose to purchase a Mtn Lion tag and what they may very well have to deal with concerning our more politically active special interest groups here. It is just a fact of life in these parts and I don't think it will change anytime soon.
 
Surprisingly, Crooked, there are few accidents given So Ca's huge population. I don't have the stats at hand the way I used to when I lived there. Think about this though, Car jacking started in Ca, a place with unarmed motorists.

There are laws in place about shooting within 400 yards of an occupied dwelling, so a bloodbath in suburbia as visualized is not forthcoming. The odds of hunting a MT lion in Ca chapperal without dogs or guide are a huge challenge. I'd think licensed and regulated would go hand in hand there.

That said, one of the worst hunting incidents in my life occured in So Cal. A man pointed his rifle at me from about 100 yards away. He did not lower the weapon. After about 45 seconds, I took the safety off my M1 Garand and pointed the rifle at him. Soon after he left the deer woods, after shooting into a bush ahead of him.

Though you cannot carry a loaded weapon in cities and towns, you can carry a loaded, in sight weapon in many National forests and BLM tracts within Ca. You can even carry in a wilderness area. Ca. has a camp site law that allows the camp as home, accepting the Castle clause as have most States. I once shook up the San Bernardino Forest office with this, until the top dog called me personally to tell me I was right and one of his Rangers wrong.

You haven't lived until you come out of the bush onto a trail of Sierra Clubbers packing a Ruger Bisely hogleg.

Hey- another 'factoid" from my reading; cat experts agree the lions can tell the armed from unarmed in areas that hunt. Don't ask me how. (The lions told the Sierra club who then told the rest of us.)

The local plumber has a couple stuffed cats in display in his shop. Both of them weigh in excess of 160 pounds. You can't appreciate what that means until you see one that size. Seeing them is what led yours truly to the conclusion only a Khukuri stands a chance amongst blades to defend from a Mt lion.

Army fighting knives aren't big enough.


munk
 
I feel bad to hear these stories. I know the victim was not a crack head or dealer or a worthless piece of trash.

I love animals but humans need to be able to defend themselves. Perhaps a "boundary" notice, you trespass at your own risk, or use of firearms beyond this point is highly recomended?

Maybe people really think they are safe outdoors. Now that is really scary!!!:p
 
What gets me is these people were on MT Bikes, for christsakes!

A guy on a MT bike going down the highway was attacked in BC several years ago.

I ride a MT bike. Scary. There are cougars all over here too.

Do any of you remember Negrete, (sic) the Boyscout never heard from again on MT. Gorgonio? When they couldn't even find his body, many experts felt it was cat predation.




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munk
 
...that's how they found the cat; a flashlight revealed two eyes looking at the examiners from the bush.





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