Mountain Lions, I have a new respect.

Here kitty kitty.

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I'm all for live and let live with the wild beasts, but a cat like that on my property looking into my window at my family/pets, I would not hesitate a second to put a 30-30 through that glass. A cat sees something it likes it's going to come back and/or watch the area for an opportunity to get it. No thank you... well worth replacing the glass.

Man this pictures gives me the chills. Beautiful animal though.
 
A biker was killed in Boulder as well, every time this topic comes up I refer The Beast in the Garden but apparently noone reads it, even though there seems to be a very interested group digging into it. They say the speed and general motion of a mountain biker is similar to a running deer, which is a prime target for a lion. Or you could call it coincidence, two of the 9 recorded mountain lion kills in the last 150 years were due to wrong-place, wrong-time instances involving starving lions...

Thanks, I'll check it out.
 
I split my time between Denver and the San Juan mountains in SW Colorado, my house is at 9600' and I have never seen one up close. What I carry is a titanium Taurus .41 mag w/4" barrel as I do see usually a couple of black bears each season. I feel the shorter the barrel the better since if I am forced to shoot something my gun will probably be in it's fur. I would like to have a S&W titanium .44 4" barrel.
 
cougar,panther attacks are only going to get worse if we dont allow hunting, they are losing their fear of humans, if i lived in cougar country theirs no way i would go out alone armed and with a dog, better to feed a cougar your dog, than yourself. like the video showed you wouldnt stand half a chance even if armed alone.
 
I, and my family, lived in Colorado Springs, CO, during the mid-90's. There were several cougar on human attacks, some fatal.

Not in Colorado Springs, there weren't. Only two people have ever been killed by a lion in all of Colorado during all of recorded history. A ten-year-old kid in Rocky Mountain National Park, in 1997, and a jogger in Idaho Springs, in 1991, were the victims. Neither was deep in the back country.

I think you're much more likely to get whacked near civilization than way out in the woods, just because the cats are getting habituated to man. Territoriality pushes cats toward cities. Be a lot more afraid mountain biking or running on the edge of town than way out in the woods.

I've found tracks in the snow and mud where a cat was watching me. 6" in diameter(it was in a soft surface, but still). Gave me the willies. Right outside of Colorado Springs.

The best reason to take a dog is that the cat will tend to focus on the dog as a potential meal, giving you a chance to shoot it. The worst reason to take a dog is that they attract cats ... Better no dog if you're not packing heat.

Gordon
 
cougar,panther attacks are only going to get worse if we dont allow hunting, they are losing their fear of humans, if i lived in cougar country theirs no way i would go out alone armed and with a dog, better to feed a cougar your dog, than yourself. like the video showed you wouldnt stand half a chance even if armed alone.

True. They still shoot them in Colorado. I vaguely recall a moratorium at one time(90s?) that has since been lifted. Probably around the time that kids started dying. Har. Tree-huggers are so clueless.

Gordon
 
So any thoughts on what would make a good pistol to carry for defense against mountain lions? Most advice I've been given says .45acp as a bare minimum, and it seems like a caliber I'd be comfortable carrying in one of the compact versions. I never hike alone, so I'd like to think if one of us was attacked, the other would hopefully be able to defend him, although at that point it might be too late already.

I realize I'm probably more likely to be struck by lighting than attacked by a cougar, but I can do something about the cougar while lighting is pretty much out of my control.

Anything that'll be adequate for a human defense gun would work on a cat. They aren't that hard to kill - hunters regularly are told to use a .22 magnum for shooting treed cats so they don't mess up the pelt with a big hole.

Myself, I hike and hunt in lion country. I carry a full-sized, hi-capacity 9mm -- we have border crossers, too, and I see a lot more evidence of those than lions, not to mention the coyotes and javalina my dog finds. If all I was concerned with was running into a lion, I'd carry a .357 and stop worrying about it.
 
I have been carrying a .357 with the Federal Self Defense 125 grain rounds and feel perfectly capable of dropping one in six shots... if I have the time to pull the trigger that fast.
 
Here's a few pics of a cat my BIL got on our farm in the eastern Kentucky mountains a few years ago. Big sucker! Brandon is sitting on the ground next to it, and he's a big 13 year old boy.

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No disrespect my brother but those are not cat tracks, those are most definitely canine of some kind, not saying wolf but the size is right 150lbs plus judging by that zippo. Nails out when in doubt, its not a cat...

You sound like you know what you're talking about, so the tracks may well have been wolf. I found pictures of lion tracks that looked like these, but now I've found pictures of wolf tracks that look similar, too.

Here's the lion track:

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If the snow melted a little, I could see the tracks looking like the ones I saw.

I could also see them looking like these wolf tracks found near Yellowstone:

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Not sure I feel too comfortable with a large wolf running the woods around me, either.... Kind of cool if they are back in this part of the world, though.
 
If you mean the SF Bay Area, yes there have been black lions here for years up in the Oakland hills...

Interesting. Tom Stienstra is the outdoors writer for the SF Chronicle who mentions them every now and then.
 
Not in Colorado Springs, there weren't. Only two people have ever been killed by a lion in all of Colorado during all of recorded history. A ten-year-old kid in Rocky Mountain National Park, in 1997, and a jogger in Idaho Springs, in 1991, were the victims. Neither was deep in the back country.

I think you're much more likely to get whacked near civilization than way out in the woods, just because the cats are getting habituated to man. Territoriality pushes cats toward cities. Be a lot more afraid mountain biking or running on the edge of town than way out in the woods.

I've found tracks in the snow and mud where a cat was watching me. 6" in diameter(it was in a soft surface, but still). Gave me the willies. Right outside of Colorado Springs.

The best reason to take a dog is that the cat will tend to focus on the dog as a potential meal, giving you a chance to shoot it. The worst reason to take a dog is that they attract cats ... Better no dog if you're not packing heat.

Gordon

I am a Colorado native. I used to love seeing cougars when I lived there. It was a rare event several decades ago. I never was concerned about lions, or bears, while living there. What I was concerned about was lightning. You haven't lived until you are hiking along the divide and a thunderstorm starts up! Now that's scary.

Ah yes, the infamouse badass dogs. Some people still think there are dogs capable of taking on a cougar. What dreamers. Our moose regularly stomp dogs of all sizes to death up here. It is no contest. Maybe the ancient Molossus dogs, which weigh upwards of 400lbs, could take a cougar, but that breed is extinct.

I agree completely with your view on dogs in the wilderness. They are more of a liability than an asset. The worst thing that happens is when your dog chases an animal, then gets frightened and RUNS BACK TO YOU with the enraged animal right behind it.

Cougars aren't the only NA preditor that stalks humans. Hunters, stalking brown bears, tell stories of bears circling back around behind them and stalking THEM. It is amazing how quiet and sneaky a 1500lb, (or more), bear can be. While a cougar may calculate it's odds of successfully attacking a human,(or dog), without injuring itself, most bears have no such worries. They know they can take you, and, as the wicked witch said, "Your little dog too!"

The good thing about some animals is that many aren't that tough. Cats and moose for instance, can be taken down by reletively small caliber rounds. Other animals, like cape buffalo and bears, can be very hard to bring down.

Don't even mention bringing a knife to a cougar/bear fight.
 
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I was stationed at Dugway Proving Ground, UT, about 80 miles south of Salt Lake City, for seven years in the 70s. Dugway is approximately 1300 square miles in size and has a lot of rugged country. As the lone special agent on base, I had complete access and spent a lot of time patrolling the mountains and desert on the base. At that time, Dugway had a wild horse population of at least 300 head and they ranged in widely scattered 'bands' of 20 to 30 horses headed by an alpha stallion and mare. Anyway, I found the remains of horses, from colts to adults, several times that had been taken by a cougar. It was obvious from the carcasses the horse had usually been jumped on from overhead. They would have lines of claw cuts clear through their hides and into the flesh underneath. A couple looked to me like the cat had jumped on the horse's back, probably from an arroyo wall or rocks, gripped the head with its front paws, and used it's hind paws to tear into the flanks and fore part of the back legs. I also saw some kills where the cougar had somehow swung under and slashed the belly open. Bottom line, when you see a nearly half ton horse that was killed by a cougar, you have to have a lot of respect for the animal that can do it. BTW, in all the dozen plus cougar horse kills I saw, some of them quite fresh, it looked like the cat fed from the belly area first and seemed to always eat the liver and quite often the stomach. I always wondered if the cat got vitamins and special nutrients from the stomach and upper intestine content...? I do know I was damned cautious prowling around in the dark out there alone after seeing my first 'cat butchered' horse.
 
Ah yes, the infamouse badass dogs. Some people still think there are dogs capable of taking on a cougar. What dreamers. Our moose regularly stomp dogs of all sizes to death up here. It is no contest. Maybe the ancient Molossus dogs, which weigh upwards of 400lbs, could take a cougar, but that breed is extinct.

Just curious here. How does a moose stomping a dog relate to a dog taking on a cougar? I am not seeing the connection. Also, I am pretty sure that the cougars y'all have up in CO are the same species we deal with in TX and my dogs have certainly downed them before(I wish we had taken pictures or shot a video). Maybe that just has to do with the breed of the dog, but to say it is impossible or insult the suggestion that it can happen is just foolish. Regardless, the poster you referenced specifically said that the benefit of taking a dog is that the cougar will focus on it instead of you. This is largely true.

In my experience, pet dogs will be very aggressive towards a cougar, hog, or any other animal that they perceive as a threat to their owner who is, for all intents and purposes, a member of their pack." This usually results in the dog becoming the primary target of the attack. the dog may die, but their death gives the owner a chance to flee, reload, etc. I lost a damn good GSD that way.
 
There's a 180lb wolf that lives down the block that will shred any 150 pound cat... and I know a rediculously beautiful and capable border collie/aussie shepherd mix that I think would hold her own... either way I pack a .357 mag just about everywhere in Idaho and have decent situational awareness, so I'm not overly concerned about being eaten by a mountain lion.


Wolf vs Moutain Lion? I'd bet Mountain Lion any day of the week.

Also, your .357 mag may conmfort you, but you'll never see or hear the cat that stalks you from behind which is what they do. They will grap the back of your neck and seperate your verterbrae before you can even hope to reach your gun. Its wise to make 360's every few minutes at randon times when hiking in the mountains.

Near where I live we had a starved, sick, 80 lb mountain lion jump a six foot fence with a full grown Lab in its mouth.

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Just curious here. How does a moose stomping a dog relate to a dog taking on a cougar? I am not seeing the connection. Also, I am pretty sure that the cougars y'all have up in CO are the same species we deal with in TX and my dogs have certainly downed them before(I wish we had taken pictures or shot a video). Maybe that just has to do with the breed of the dog, but to say it is impossible or insult the suggestion that it can happen is just foolish. Regardless, the poster you referenced specifically said that the benefit of taking a dog is that the cougar will focus on it instead of you. This is largely true.

In my experience, pet dogs will be very aggressive towards a cougar, hog, or any other animal that they perceive as a threat to their owner who is, for all intents and purposes, a member of their pack." This usually results in the dog becoming the primary target of the attack. the dog may die, but their death gives the owner a chance to flee, reload, etc. I lost a damn good GSD that way.

My point was that a moose, although large, has no teeth or claws, and can easily take any dog. A lion has all the more advantage. A big lion could possibly take a moose.

You are correct, a dog trained to bay, can be very helpfull. Most dogs are not trained this way though.

You mentioned your dogs taking down a cougar. How many dogs? What kind? What injuries do they sustain?

Nobody says that a pack of dogs can't take down a cougar, but there isn't a dog breed alive that can take a lion by themselves.
Give me a pack of 50 Rat Terriers and I'll show you a dead lion.
Give me one 250lb Mastiff and I'll show you a dead dog.
 
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Was there not a story recently of an old man who was attacked by a couger and he killed it with his buck 110 pocket knife
 
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