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Moving up in the strop world/Diamond on cardboard?

Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by Mr.SATism, Feb 18, 2018.

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  1. Mr.SATism

    Mr.SATism

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    Jul 31, 2017
    So for those of you that don't know, I am new to knives and most of my edge maintenance is stropping on cardboard (I have a pretty light knife-use type of life TBH). I have the Woodstock Green Extra Fine which does give my knives a nice toothy edge (which I describe as though my blade has teeth that bite into my hairs when I shave my leg). I recently bought the Red Rogue to see if I can make it sharper. It did not give me the 'ultra-sharp' 'cuts an atom' type sharp that I wanted, but it did polish the edge a little bit and made the edge smoother in a way that did not bite my leg hair when I tried shaving. I think that I stropped too much (or too hard) with the red and maybe dulled the blade a little, but it will probably be fixed with the green compound easily. I suppose my question is whether or not to use DMT paste on cardboard, because if diamond lasts for a long while, I really wouldn't mind keeping some 6, 3 and 1-micron pieces lying around. I know that I'm supposed to put it on leather, get it all nice and pretty, but in my life, I see cardboard as a more practical option.
    TLDR: I strop on cardboard and I'm wondering if I could advance to diamond pastes with cardboard.
    Hopefully, the pictures come through, and if they do, I apologize for the snail trails.
    https://imgur.com/gallery/BzrSs
    Edit: Added a poll in case that is easier to get an answer
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2018
  2. Kyle363

    Kyle363 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 11, 2016
    I used to use diamond spray on a balsa block that I got super cheap from amazon. I’ve also used diamond spray on plain paper then wrapped it around a dry sharpening stone. I think the ridges in the cardboard might give you negitive results. I’m sure some here will correct me if I am wrong.
     
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  3. Mr.SATism

    Mr.SATism

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    Jul 31, 2017
    That's interesting, I would have thought that cardboard didn't affect anything. Might be why I'm having trouble with the red compound
     
  4. Ourorboros

    Ourorboros

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    Jan 23, 2017
    The cardboard isn't, it's the variable support of corrugated cardboard. You are going through multiple angles, partially undoing your work.
    Get or make a strop where the material is mounted on something consistently flat and solid.
     
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  5. SV-97

    SV-97

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    Aug 18, 2016
    What ouroboros Said; Cardboard isn't optimal. Imho stropping as a whole isn't optimal: why not save the money you spend on diamond-spray/compound all the time and get a really high grit Stone? Something like 10k; I used an 800/10k setup for some time and still do to maintain edges pretty often
     
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  6. Mr.SATism

    Mr.SATism

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    Jul 31, 2017
    I expected that this would be the obvious solution, and is an end of the year goal. I'm not going to deny that I wanted to have a one all solution, but it will definitely do for now.
    I don't really know, considering I have xhp in my collection and will have s110v in the future, I will probably get a diamond sharpening stone. But I believe that the factory edges are still sharp enough as to where I can bring them to extreme sharpness by stropping with low micron compounds. I do agree that either a diafold or a combo diamond stone (if that exists?) would be great. And although I am a novice at sharpening, I do have a special little knife that I want to grind to oblivion (muhahahah)
     
  7. SV-97

    SV-97

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    Aug 18, 2016
    For polishing a normal waterstone works fine in my experience(even for high end steels). If you want to rebevel etc. a diamondplate would be the right choice though. Another pro argument for ceramics etc. is that you can tape sandpaper to them to get other grits easily.
     
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  8. willc

    willc Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 13, 2013
    I’ll use diamond compound on cardboard occasionally but I never use the corrugated type.

    IME the cereal box type board works best.
    Mostly I use scrap wood but cardboard is plentiful and cost effective.
     
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  9. Mr.SATism

    Mr.SATism

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    Jul 31, 2017
    Amazon+pizza+new furniture boxes is what I get my strop stock from right now, so I will definitely try and see if I can sneak a cereal box from the recycling bin haha. I also do have some newspaper that I use, but I do not notice that much of a difference when stropping with it after I already stropped with my cardboard+compound.
     
  10. Danketch

    Danketch Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 27, 2007
    I see what you mean about using what you have available, and if it works for you, great; but if you are going to spend the money on diamond compound, spend $3 on a basswood block at the hobby store. Or get a Washboard from our member Heavy Handed and use computer/whatever paper on it instead. Much more consistent results.
     
  11. Mr.SATism

    Mr.SATism

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    Jul 31, 2017
    Thank you so much for all of your inputs! I do agree that my knives will probably need to get some high grit polishing and that Heavy Handed's system will probably be the way that I will go because I am so used to edge trailing my strops that all I need to do is just change the amount of pressure I put on it. I will ask my mom about how to get different woods and maybe make a couple of leather strops for myself (she's been woodcarving since before I was born, and I do think that there are benefits to stropping). I will probably keep my cardboard strops as a way to touch up my edges on the go, or give them out to my friends so they can try and give their knives nicer edges (yes I will mention the caveat of corrugated cardboard). Thank you all for making my birthday a little better
     

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