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DowntownDM

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I generally dislike the elf-ish choils.... and I'm partial to keeping the talon hole, which would only sacrifice ~1/4" of the cutting surface length.

Opinions? (pardon the editing hack job; MS Paint + 5min total...)

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and no, I'll not be doing this myself. :eek:
 
Nice Yeah it looks like it would be quite functional, definitley better/more user friendly than the elf choil. :thumbup:
 
Duud, Garth modded a PD for me, it is Nice! Now it's in Germany. :eek:
No more mods for me. The Busses are what they are.
 
I don't like the elf choils at all, but in my eyes, on a knife the size of the BOSS Street, I would prefer no choil period.
 
Lycosa said:
The Busses are what they are.
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+1. :thumbup: For me, the talon hole is simply part of the guard and the elf choil doesn't consume enough of the blade edge to create a problem.
 
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I don't mind the elf choil either. I find it easier to sharpen the blade all the way to the edge without the handle interfering.
 
Like MM said either choiless or as is looks the best to me. But to each his own, that's what makes this Crazy World go round.
 
I dont even really like the little sharpening choils, but the elf choil is WAY WAY WAY larger than it needs to be for sharpening. But just too small to be useful. It's probably the worst possible choil size you could imagine putting on a knife. It boggles my mind that they are so common on Jerry's knives.
 
MustardMan said:
I dont even really like the little sharpening choils, but the elf choil is WAY WAY WAY larger than it needs to be for sharpening. But just too small to be useful. It's probably the worst possible choil size you could imagine putting on a knife. It boggles my mind that they are so common on Jerry's knives.
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That is a HARSH statement.... yet I agree and have been saying so for years now - albiet with efforts to be less harsh with my wording. :o

The size can't be used by a finger and WAY larger than needed for sharpening.

Also, while a small sharpening choil can snag, the larger one is MUCH more prone to snagging stuff while cutting and WASTES too much PRIME edge real estate!

IMO - I would also prefer NO sharpening choil at all on a knife this size.

I don't mind a finger choil on larger knives like the SJTAC, ASH, Tank Buster and larger knives, but I prefer NO choil on most of these smaller knives.

Personally, for these smaller Busse knives, I would even go one little step further and prefer the Talon Hole a bit smaller.

As is:

Choil = about 3/8" +/-
Talon Hole/Guard = about 5/8" +/-

= about 1" Total distance from hand in grip area to cutting edge (too far and too much wasted blade edge IMO.)


I would prefer the Talon Hole/Guard be about 1/8" smaller at about 1/2" and total distance to the blade the same without any choil.



Imagine my photoshop picture - .....that would get my point across MUCH better and more effectively :( :o :rolleyes: :



HERE


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Heyday said:
This. I prefer the small choil to no chiol at all for ease of sharpening. I like to have usable choils on some of my knives as well.
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Thalestin said:
I like them for sharpening as well
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I can appreciate that some people like a sharpening choil. Depending on your method used for sharpening, they can often help.

Personally, I don't need or want any choil. I can sharpen JUST FINE without needing a sharpening choil.


But, for those who feel they can't sharpen without a sharpening choil, keep in mind how EASY it is to simply add a small sharpening choil with a Dremel or round file is easier than sharpening. You couldn't ask for a more simple modification.

Vs. for those of us who DON'T want the choil, once the choil is there, it can't be realistically removed - unless you grind off as much blade height as the choil height = HORRIBLE and NOT EASY option. :thumbdn:

So, since it is SO easy to add a choil and almost impossible to remove an existing choil, I think it is easier to help more people get what they want by leaving the choil completely off. :thumbup:

Or offer both options - No choil and small/simple sharpening choil! (not talking about the elf-choil).

It would be VERY easy for Busse to build the knife without a choil and grind out a small/simple sharpening choil for those who order one. :thumbup:
In a shop with a simple tool and a jig, it would take a matter of seconds to grind a sharpening choil. :rolleyes:

And it would only take about 2-5 minutes (tops) to grind out a small simple round notch / sharpening choil in the thin part of the blade steel at home with a Dremel. :thumbup:

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If you utilize it right (blade side of elf choil under the cap, talon hole on top of the cap) you can open your beer with it.

. . .And you call yourselves Hogs. . .:cool:
 
resinguy said:
btw, Jerry would prefer that we didn't post chops and drawings here.
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hmmm, I remember prohibitions/requests for instances like contests and feedback on upcoming designs - but honestly don't recall an overall blanket policy (for lack of a better, less official-y, term).

this seemed different, since there are actual photos of modded knives like these floating around here. in any case, no disrespect intended and I'll remove 'em if he/they ask me to. thanks for the heads-up RG.
 
DowntownDM said:
hmmm, I remember prohibitions/requests for instances like contests and feedback on upcoming designs - but honestly don't recall an overall blanket policy (for lack of a better, less official-y, term).

this seemed different, since there are actual photos of modded knives like these floating around here. in any case, no disrespect intended and I'll remove 'em if he/they ask me to. thanks for the heads-up RG.
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Well.... if it is safe to go with that theory/line of thinking:

The following - especially the second option without any choil - is what I would prefer (no choil and slightly smaller Talon Hole / Guard = only about 1/2" distance from hand to cutting edge vs. about twice that with current guard end elf choil - also, no snagging):


"removed to prevent issues"



However, if having to modify an existing boss Street Choil to make it a bit more functional, I would probably recommend something like this (not a great photo-chop, but quick):

"removed to prevent issues"


In the above modification, you don't loose any of the existing sharpened edge, but rather trade the Talon Hole for a functional choil.

It is not a hard modification. Pretty easy actually.

You can do it with a Dremel. But, I personally use a Drill press with a sanding drum attachment. I prefer the Drill press because I can use a bit better sized drum and more importantly, it allows me to hold the knife with both hands vs. Dremel in one hand and knife in the other.

Holding the knife with both hands offers better control. :thumbup:

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DWRW said:
That is a HARSH statement.... yet I agree and have been saying so for years now - albiet with efforts to be less harsh with my wording. :o
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I've never been one to mince words - the elf choils are, IMHO, a completely unnecessary aesthetic choice, which sacrifices functionality for the "trademark" look of a Busse knife. I don't put knives in safes and I don't care if they "look" like a Busse. I just want some sweet sweet INFI that I can cut stuff with and that has a bulletproof warranty.


Sorry if it's harsh to want a knife that's more functional :rolleyes: but the elf choils are an absolutely terrible design choice IMHO.





Of course, I don't own a massive multi-company knife manufacturing facility that does kagillions of dollars worth of business, so what do I know? I'm just a guy who buys sharp steel stuff and cuts things with it.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
If you utilize it right (blade side of elf choil under the cap, talon hole on top of the cap) you can open your beer with it.

. . .And you call yourselves Hogs. . .:cool:
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All I need is a rigid object and my fist to open a beer. Grasp the neck of the bottle in a hammer grip, and use your thumb for leverage. Put the edge of your thumb right below the cap, the edge of the object (butt of knife, zippo, another beer bottle, whatever) under the ridge of the cap, squeeze and lever, and off pops the cap.



. . . and you call yourself a drunk :cool:
 
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