Musings On A Rapscallion

Mistwalker

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Heber and I were talking about the Rapscallion on another venue earlier today. And discussing the same knife stretched out some. This one is the Rapscallion and it reminds both of us of a short butcher knife with an attitude, and we both wonder what a version stretched out to a 6 inch blade would be like. With the twist of attitude maybe call it the Poacher?

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Mistwalker Mistwalker Love those pictures! A 6" Rapscallion would be really nice! Poacher? Interesting name, it cracks me up. LOL!!

Lol, I thought it would be in keeping with the overall theme. Plus, I once knew a guy who carried a 6 inch Old Hickory butcher knife whilst doing some poaching, many years ago.
 
Nice--6" or so I find ideal on a fixed blade... and I'm loving that family of knives. I guess the Forager is what I think of as I read your thread... but that might be because that's all I've been thinking of when it comes to knives lately ;)
 
Nice--6" or so I find ideal on a fixed blade... and I'm loving that family of knives. I guess the Forager is what I think of as I read your thread... but that might be because that's all I've been thinking of when it comes to knives lately ;)

I love the Forager, don't get me wrong and I want one really badly, but for different reasons. To borrow a line from Fiddleback Fiddleback when he was explaing the differences between the Hunter I had and the Woodsman I wanted about 7 or 8 years ago, the Forager (top in this pic) is a whole different level of big compared to the Rapscallion (middle), and what I am talking about in this thread is simply a Rapscallion that looks much like someone disconnected the blade from the handle at the plunge line, and added two more inches of blade length between the two pieces if that makes sense to you.
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Totally--and the pic helps put it in perspective. Man, I love the Forager even more after this pic! I've been tempted by the protagonist, but that's a altogether different kind of knife.

A sneaky Pete and/or asp has also made it onto my radar... with a big sneaky not far behind.
 
Totally--and the pic helps put it in perspective. Man, I love the Forager even more after this pic! I've been tempted by the protagonist, but that's a altogether different kind of knife.

A sneaky Pete and/or asp has also made it onto my radar... with a big sneaky not far behind.

Yeah, the Protagonist is a whole different kind of knife. I love the profile though. I had one in 1/8, but the more I handled it the more disappointed in it I became compared to the one in this photo, the first ones I handled. The first ones were 3/16 with tapered tangs Which I think is the perfect thickness and configuration for that particular model. With all the mass removed by the swedging, the thinner stock just didn't give me the kind of confidence I need in a knife of this style.
 
Yeah, the Protagonist is a whole different kind of knife. I love the profile though. I had one in 1/8, but the more I handled it the more disappointed in it I became compared to the one in this photo, the first ones I handled. The first ones were 3/16 with tapered tangs Which I think is the perfect thickness and configuration for that particular model. With all the mass removed by the swedging, the thinner stock just didn't give me the kind of confidence I need in a knife of this style.

That makes sense--3/16 and a tapered tang sounds great. I've passed on the protagonist because I have enough dedicated fighters. The Forager will work for camp, is light enough to hike with, and has enough attitude if the need should arise.

And I'm loving tapered tangs--my first and only is a Winkler field knife; it's a great knife.
 
I'm really not big on dedicated fighters and don't own many, I have several dedicated survival knives. The Protagonist was the first I had run across that I really really do like. I love the Rapscallion in 1/8, and I love the Forager in 5/32. But thinning the blade on the Protagonist to 1/8, as if trying to make it a kitchen knife with a lot of attitude, to me changes the handling too drastically and completely defeats the purpose of the design. It was a disappointing experience for me. I was wishing I had bought pretty much any other Fiddleback on the display by the time I had used it for a few days.
 
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And I'm loving tapered tangs--my first and only is a Winkler field knife; it's a great knife.

I've never owned a Winkler knife, but I've heard some good things about him from the guys over at Ft Bragg. My favorite knives have tapered or hidden tangs that reduce the unnecessary handle mass. I'm not overly find of handle-heavy tools other than my survival knives with hammer pommels. On those the added mass at the pommel end makes sense. Other than that on most knives I prefer a neutral balance, and if the blade is longer than the handle then I prefer the knife to be blade-heavy.
 
It seems that I'm now waking down the same path as you--ever since I picked up my first Randall (model 5-6) a couple of years ago, I began to inch away from the thicker, heavier knives. I've been steadily selling off Busse knives and have replaced them with a Winkler and --soon-- a Fiddleback.

I'm very pleased with the Winkler Field Knife--it's plenty stout, but cuts well enough, the 80crv2 is tough and holds an edge pretty well, even after breaking down several very large/thick cardboard boxes, and the tapered tang/balance is just as you described.

Given all that, however, a 6" Rapscallion would very likely out slice the Winkler. I hope we both get what we want soon!
 
It was another friend who got me started on the tapered tangs years ago. These days, in most cases anyway, I find the mass and handle-heaviness of actual full tang knives unappealing. The unnecessary weight is a turn off for me. In most cases I don't prefer a blade to be thicker than 5/32. The Camp Knife and Protagonist are exceptions and I'd be fine with a 3/16 Forager as well.
 
Even though I still have a couple 1/4" thick monster blades, my limit has become 3/16" as well--and that is for the kind of blades you mentioned.

Why it took me so long to appreciate the thinner stock and tapered tangs... well, that's all a problem of misperception and limited experience on my part, that now has been remedied.
 
Even though I still have a couple 1/4" thick monster blades, my limit has become 3/16" as well--and that is for the kind of blades you mentioned.

Why it took me so long to appreciate the thinner stock and tapered tangs... well, that's all a problem of misperception and limited experience on my part, that now has been remedied.

I preferred thicker blades that would take a lot of abuse in my younger days because I abused them more often. These days the only time I seriously abuse any knives is when I am teaching more advanced and/or urban survival techniques, and those tools were chosen or made for those tasks.
 
Man, it sounds like I'm on a path you've already tread! As far as the thicker blades you choose, what are they? And--by the way--I'd love to take your courses... wilderness or urban--but I'm guessing you are nowhere near SoCal.
 
I preferred thicker blades that would take a lot of abuse in my younger days because I abused them more often. These days the only time I seriously abuse any knives is when I am teaching more advanced and/or urban survival techniques, and those tools were chosen or made for those tasks.

Great thread Mist. I will definitely make a 6" bladed Rapscallion. No problem there. Also good to know about the protagonist. I'll make some thicker ones soon.

This post makes me smile. I remember being told by 'younger days' Brian that he didn't feel confident with an 1/8" knife in the field. Everything changes my friend. Its been a long journey, and I've appreciated having you along side me for the ride.
 
Great thread Mist. I will definitely make a 6" bladed Rapscallion. No problem there. Also good to know about the protagonist. I'll make some thicker ones soon.

This post makes me smile. I remember being told by 'younger days' Brian that he didn't feel confident with an 1/8" knife in the field. Everything changes my friend. Its been a long journey, and I've appreciated having you along side me for the ride.


Thanks man. It has been a long ride for me. Meeting you has been therapeutic for me on a few levels. As has using the Rapscallion in the kitchen a lot this past year. PTS can get deep into the mind. When things have been extreme enough, it can take years for the mind to catch up to the new paradigm. Even then it likely won't catch up on its own. I've known this for years and it's one of the reasons most of my closest friends are combat veterans. Even though I didn't fight in a "war" per se, there were a lot of harsh battles. So for me it took several statements said by the right people, people I trust...which trust in and of itself is still a challenge for me, at the right time. You were among those people, in words and in physical examples. Hanging out with my oldest daughter a lot more this past year has been therapeutic as well. I was fussing at her one day a few months ago, about how much space she was letting her mom take up in her head, how it was high time she understood the days of abuse were long over. Being my daughter, and knowing how to make a point pretty succinctly, she just looked me in the eye and said, "I would think that you of all the people I know, would know how that could take a lot more time than people might think it should. Or have you always slept with a knife and gun in easy reach?" The light bulb finally clicked on. Yeah, keeping my gear close had started in childhood, but not out of a fear of needing it. Just because my father and I lived in a tiny trailer in south Florida. My bedroom was tiny and everything I owned was near at hand, but none of it lived under my pillow. That didn't happen till the years on the streets, after multiple times of being attacked in my sleep. After the night mom and I were attacked in our sleep by my stepfather, that left me orphaned and living on the streets. Before that night I had just been a simple boy who loved the woods, swamps, rivers, and bay. It was the Rapscallion, and using it a lot, that reminded me of the days when a television show called Grizzly Adams had influenced my knife of choice. Days when i would wander many miles with the 6 inch Old Hickory butcher knife being the largest and heaviest knife I owned. It would be the nights of urban survival that would change my opinion of what knife was best for me. All of the waking up from a dead sleep having to either run for my life or fight for it. All of the times of running through the winter nights needing to pry off lock hasps or smash them off. Or dig through the wood doors and windows of abandoned buildings to get off the streets. Like living my own odd version of Jumanji. The cops were hunting me because I was a kid and they wanted to save me by locking me up in a cage. The gangs were chasing me because i hated how they treated the people of the area and caused them problems, random other street predators had to be coped with as well.

There are reasons that by the time I was running a sort of mobile soup kitchen from ages 17 to 19 that my knife of choice was a jet pilot's knife I had picked up in a surplus store with money made from helping truckers offload their trucks. I still have one just like it close by at all times even today, and I have used it to shoot a lot of photos this past year as memory nudgers while I am writing my own autobiography.
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I still have the first "Bushcraft" knife i ever bought. I picked it up from a friend on a British Bushcraft forum before I started hanging out on this forum much. Back when I first started trying to see the world from the different perspective I was reading about. Reading Mors' Bushcraft after having read Mr. Sears' Woodcraft. It has nearly the same dimensions and profile as Kev's KEB. So even though I disagree with his philosophies that innovation and new designs are pointless, and see innovation as a good thing. I'm definitely glad the copper, bronze, iron, and steel ages came along and I have more tools to cut with than the stone shards in the box on my desk lol. Especially now with all of the new materials coming out that are changing the paradigms. Lighter materials that are more durable, new alloys that are stronger in thinner stock and have more corrosion resistance etc., that justify putting the thought toward new designs and efforts into making them. I do agree with his thoughts that he stuck with tried and true shapes and geometries when he drew out the KEB, I already had the knife that filled that role for me a few years before I met Andy.
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The Rapscallion is a horse of a completely different color. Innovation is in fact exactly what drew me to the Rapscallion. It is for me a butcher knife with innovations that suit my personality. We're both quite practical, but have a lot of attitude :)

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Thanks man. It has been a long ride for me. Meeting you has been therapeutic for me on a few levels. As has using the Rapscallion in the kitchen a lot this past year. PTS can get deep into the mind. When things have been extreme enough, it can take years for the mind to catch up to the new paradigm. Even then it likely won't catch up on its own. I've known this for years and it's one of the reasons most of my closest friends are combat veterans. Even though I didn't fight in a "war" per se, there were a lot of harsh battles. So for me it took several statements said by the right people, people I trust...which trust in and of itself is still a challenge for me, at the right time. You were among those people, in words and in physical examples. Hanging out with my oldest daughter a lot more this past year has been therapeutic as well. I was fussing at her one day a few months ago, about how much space she was letting her mom take up in her head, how it was high time she understood the days of abuse were long over. Being my daughter, and knowing how to make a point pretty succinctly, she just looked me in the eye and said, "I would think that you of all the people I know, would know how that could take a lot more time than people might think it should. Or have you always slept with a knife and gun in easy reach?" The light bulb finally clicked on. Yeah, keeping my gear close had started in childhood, but not out of a fear of needing it. Just because my father and I lived in a tiny trailer in south Florida. My bedroom was tiny and everything I owned was near at hand, but none of it lived under my pillow. That didn't happen till the years on the streets, after multiple times of being attacked in my sleep. After the night mom and I were attacked in our sleep by my stepfather, that left me orphaned and living on the streets. Before that night I had just been a simple boy who loved the woods, swamps, rivers, and bay. It was the Rapscallion, and using it a lot, that reminded me of the days when a television show called Grizzly Adams had influenced my knife of choice. Days when i would wander many miles with the 6 inch Old Hickory butcher knife being the largest and heaviest knife I owned. It would be the nights of urban survival that would change my opinion of what knife was best for me. All of the waking up from a dead sleep having to either run for my life or fight for it. All of the times of running through the winter nights needing to pry off lock hasps or smash them off. Or dig through the wood doors and windows of abandoned buildings to get off the streets. Like living my own odd version of Jumanji. The cops were hunting me because I was a kid and they wanted to save me by locking me up in a cage. The gangs were chasing me because i hated how they treated the people of the area and caused them problems, random other street predators had to be coped with as well.

There are reasons that by the time I was running a sort of mobile soup kitchen from ages 17 to 19 that my knife of choice was a jet pilot's knife I had picked up in a surplus store with money made from helping truckers offload their trucks. I still have one just like it close by at all times even today, and I have used it to shoot a lot of photos this past year as memory nudgers while I am writing my own autobiography.
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I still have the first "Bushcraft" knife i ever bought. I picked it up from a friend on a British Bushcraft forum before I started hanging out on this forum much. Back when I first started trying to see the world from the different perspective I was reading about. Reading Mors' Bushcraft after having read Mr. Sears' Woodcraft. It has nearly the same dimensions and profile as Kev's KEB. So even though I disagree with his philosophies that innovation and new designs are pointless, and see innovation as a good thing. I'm definitely glad the copper, bronze, iron, and steel ages came along and I have more tools to cut with than the stone shards in the box on my desk lol. Especially now with all of the new materials coming out that are changing the paradigms. Lighter materials that are more durable, new alloys that are stronger in thinner stock and have more corrosion resistance etc., that justify putting the thought toward new designs and efforts into making them. I do agree with his thoughts that he stuck with tried and true shapes and geometries when he drew out the KEB, I already had the knife that filled that role for me a few years before I met Andy.
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The Rapscallion is a horse of a completely different color. Innovation is in fact exactly what drew me to the Rapscallion. It is for me a butcher knife with innovations that suit my personality. We're both quite practical, but have a lot of attitude :)

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I read your post this morning, and I've been thinking about it all day--though I don't know you, I can say that I'm glad to have met you here, and even more glad to find you doing well on the other side of all that. All your posts convey a knowledge and certainty, and now I better understand where that comes from. Having overcome some hardship and ugliness in my life, I can appreciate the gravity of yours--thanks for sharing.

On a lighter note, great knives.
--Anthony
 
I read your post this morning, and I've been thinking about it all day--though I don't know you, I can say that I'm glad to have met you here, and even more glad to find you doing well on the other side of all that. All your posts convey a knowledge and certainty, and now I better understand where that comes from. Having overcome some hardship and ugliness in my life, I can appreciate the gravity of yours--thanks for sharing.

On a lighter note, great knives.
--Anthony

Thanks, I am honestly glad to have been able to meet a lot of you guys here. Yes, I'm doing pretty well on the other side of it now, in large part thanks to my daughters whose presence caused me to have to view a lot of things from new points of view. Also in large part thanks to the many real friends I have been fortunate enough to make in my life. I'm sure there were some times when I was technically not alright, but life has a way putting things into context for us if we pay attention. We think we had it bad, then we meet someone who had it much worse. There are some really messed up people in this world. Luckily there is also the other end of that spectrum.
 
Mist, I love that Bushcraft knife. Keep me in mind if you want to sell it or trade for a brand new Martin bush hunter
 
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