Muskrat Love!

rick that remington is so mint makes me cry.wonder if it would bring 1300$ i will check with collector since i have'nt been keeping up with the oldies lately.remingtons were the king of edge holders in early times.no surprise since making guns involves so many steels & different heat treats.
 
I don't know enough about Rems to say for sure, Ken.
Usually, cost-saving measures come later. Remington set out to blow everyone else out of the water, so it doesn't seem like they would do that at first.
But the question arises, which way is more beautiful (read; saleable)??? To fools like us, anyway!:p
 
p1123 said:
Rick, Does your Remington muskrat have a match striker pull on the other blade?
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Nope - it's a regular pull. Can't say that I've ever seen a Rem 'rat with a matchstriker before, though I've seen a 4-1/4" "moose'rat" with a matchstriker clip blade. I've also run across several Rem muskrats with catchbits and single liners, as mentioned above, but those all had square bolsters, if I remember right. One of 'em even had a saber-ground blade.
 
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Gents, take all discussion of potential sales and related business off the forum.
 
So, back on track to the question! Which way looks better, catch bits, or double liners?
I see benefits of both - anyone?
 
waynorth said:
So, back on track to the question! Which way looks better, catch bits, or double liners?
I see benefits of both - anyone?
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BTW, the square bolster Rem muskrats are the older ones -- the round bolster muskrats came along almost at the end of Remington's knife production - you'll see some of them made by PAL Cutlery.

The centered spring with the doubled liners means that both blades are essentially identical (and ground symmetrical) and are then crinked to fit past each other -- the wider single spring with catch bits of the older square bolster version required each blade to be ground and tapered to fit past each other - no crinking used. One big advantage of not needing to crink a blade is that you can temper it harder as a whole and/or not leave the tang area softer to allow crinking. The double liner version with crinking would certainly be easier and cheaper to build (apart from the blades, liners are liners, and whether cut or not, they would be handled the same in manufacture) -- the catch bits and the ground to fit uncrinked blades could make a better knife for the user, but required more hands-on expert cutler attention.

For myself, I've always considered the doubled liners to be a kludge - it's pretty common in more modern knives as a way to avoid having to taper or swedge blades - sometimes with the doubled liners only on one side, which is especially ugly.
 
Thanks for the detailed explanation and opinion, ZG!


And the new word for my vocabulary!
from dictionary.com; kludge -
"A clumsy or inelegant solution to a problem."


Looks like a similar progression for Schrade. The older knives have catch bits with wide springs, and the later ones have doubled liners! Now I want to look at more Muskrats!!
 
Some Muskrats

2 77OT Schrades and a new Queen in D2 and Delrin

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kidwholaughs said:
That knife if gorgeous. What year production was it? The blade shape is out of this world!!

God Bless
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Thanks, it is a very attractive knife,
The shape of the Turkish clips help let the blades fold into the frame of the knife, which makes it very slim in the pocket.
I got from eBay, and the selling pictures did not do it justice.
So when I opened it up, I was quite amazed at my luck!

I have no idea what year it is.
How would I find out?


Casares,
I have a couple of Queen in the Forest Edge Winterbottom, aka brown delrin!
The quality is every bit good as the wood or bone.
 
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Rick I'am back with the match striker pull discussion, I have one that has a match striker pull one one blade. It is like your knife, I didn't know about it.
One day when reading a old knife world I found a Pal rat that had the same
match striker pull. I thought that it was made close to the sale to Pal.
 
p1123 said:
Rick I'am back with the match striker pull discussion, I have one that has a match striker pull one one blade. It is like your knife, I didn't know about it.
One day when reading a old knife world I found a Pal rat that had the same
match striker pull. I thought that it was made close to the sale to Pal.
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Pictures please!!!
 
Here is the Cold Steel Muskrat, made with Carbon V and sadly out of production. It is a two spring knife and is seen with it's brother, the bird knife which subs a guthook for the second blade. This Muskrat get a good bit of pocket time as one of my "social setting" knives.

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waynorth said:
So, back on track to the question! Which way looks better, catch bits, or double liners?
I see benefits of both - anyone?
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I see how the double liners work on them. What are catch bits Charlie?

Those Cold Steels are nice Absintheur. I'de like to see that same shot about 10 feet away to see the rest of your collection.

I should take some better pictures but here's a Camillus MM. Blades are slim. Truly made for what it was intended for.
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neeman said:
Thanks, it is a very attractive knife,
The shape of the Turkish clips help let the blades fold into the frame of the knife, which makes it very slim in the pocket.
I got from eBay, and the selling pictures did not do it justice.
So when I opened it up, I was quite amazed at my luck!

I have no idea what year it is.
How would I find out?
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IIRC Queen called that series "Queen Classics", and they were made in the 1990's. The knife pictured was one of fifty made with winterbottom bone scales.
(The insignia in the center of the main blade reads "Queen Classics Bone") Queen also made a version with "red stag" scales.

Really nice knife!

Queen also made a version of that knife under its Schatt & Morgan name with stag scales and called it the "Yankee Muskrat".
 
neeman said:
I like Muskrats two.

Queen City Cutlery Winterbottom bone Turkish clips
It has cutouts for the nail nicks, which makes it even slimmer.

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Queen Cocobolo in D2
Sharpened the two blade differently
The thinner 'main' blade at a very acute angle, and the thicker blade more obtuse.
So they cut differently

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Here are some pictures of that Queen Classics knife in red stag, along with its original box:

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waynorth said:
So, back on track to the question! Which way looks better, catch bits, or double liners?
I see benefits of both - anyone?
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Spacer/cut liner makes the knife wider and heavier and easier to build but I don't believe I would consider the use of such a kludge...just another way to skin a cat. Catch bits certainly allow the cutler to build a more elegant knife.
 
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