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Ken Cook

Ken Cook

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Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
 
I posted, but like my post in the Waved CQC-7 Thread, I really have to learn to ignore morons.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives
 
Read on, Ark. It gets nasty. Ken and Don made good points. I posted, and that's as far as I go with it. It's not worth the anger.
 
That guy E-Utopia really should reconsider posting blanket statements like the WAVE feature being a gizmo for weekend warriors. Uhh...Does he mean the SPECWAR Community?

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I think what insulted me personally was, I have been through multiple State background checks for firearms purchases and I have been through a more in-depth State background check, including fingerprinting, for Employment, at least 3 times each to the FBI and D.o.D. as well, separate from the State checks...

I have quite a few very good friends in local Law Enforcement, I know what the deal is and they're human beings as much as I am and I offer anyone the respect that I am offered.

To be referred to, even indirectly, as a "criminal" when the person does not offer up that title for their own personality, who takes the name of a comic book vigilante and does not know what a Caps Lock button is and refused to accept friendly advice from someone other than me...well...you get the picture.

There is no Anti-Law Enforcement sentiment here. However, I won't sit and tuck my tail either when confronted with such nonsense.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Arkham_Drifter:
That guy E-Utopia really should reconsider posting blanket statements like the WAVE feature being a gizmo for weekend warriors. Uhh...Does he mean the SPECWAR Community?</font>
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I cannot believe that someone still refers to the Wave as a "gimmick," I thought that stupidity died in the Fall of 1998.


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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
Hi Guys,

Interesting thread.

Once again, I found myself stuggling to come up with an appropriate and PC response befitting an executive of my stature...and then I said "screw it".

Any of you that know me, realize my own personal thoughts on the issue and there is NO point in trying to explain it to some people.

As a slight side note, I guess that I should call SEAL Team 1 and have them reject the shipment of WAVED CQC-7'S that went out to them yesterday. They sure don't want peple to think of them as "wannabe's".

Probably should call the International Space Station and have them get their custom Specwars on the next shuttle to Earth where they won't cause them any harm as well.

For anyone watching, we welcome all comments, good or bad. We will be in attendance at the New York Custom show later this year. I am sure that Ernie would appreciate the input. We need all the help around here that we can get!
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Take care,
Derek Russell
Sales Manager
Emerson Knives Inc.
Emersonknives.com

The #1 Hard Use Knives In The World



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Don,
Just in case you didn't see, please read my response on the waved cqc7 thread as I tried to offer a more reasoned response from a cops point of view.
Lewis
 
Lewis,

You sure did. I look at everyone the same way, I don't care about uniforms and such. I know that in life there will be people who have power and have attitudes just as surely as there will be regular, ordinary people who have attitudes. From the person at the Cash Register to your Employer.

The only problem is, you can drop the crap you just picked up at Wal-Mart at the cash register when confronted by such rude behavior but in life, it is not so easy to make the same statement with regard to someone who has the Authority to arrest you.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
Being somewhat new to tactical knives, I don't fully understand this Anti-Emerson thang. I also don't understand folks who get worked up about some other guy's choice of blade. I listen and learn from experienced devotees but I still make my own choices.

Believe or don't; I became intrested in Emerson blades because of overall quality of the Usual Suspects postings. If respectful, honorable, well-spoken people were invovled in this Emerson Thang; then the actual knives could not be just the product of marketing hype.

The quailty of the man holding the knife is far more important than the blade.

Seth
 
Bummer, I didn't see this until too late.

I guess e_utopia is unaware of the fact that most places have laws worded in such a way to make darn near anything you carry in your pocket illegal. Doesn't matter how it opens.

He also needs to do his homework a little and check on his beloved Axis lock. I have heard from a couple of custom makers that they were inetersted in using the lock until they did some checking and found it is subject to wear and failure just like a liner. That's PART of the reason you still see the liner lock or IBL in use so much, even after the advent of all of the great locks out there.

And at what point did he forget that most advertising IS hype.

Derek, please let us know if someone does "Tell Ernie to his face" at the New York show. I don't think it will happen.
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If ignorance is bliss,
why aren't more people happy?
 
I'm really getting tired of this crap. I think e_utopia should change his name to e-uTROLLia!

Let me tell you guys something. I work in the aerospace field for a company that makes the tailboom and empennage for the MD Helicopters NOTAR[NO TAil Rotor] series of helicopters[see the SWAT copter in the movie SPEED]. I am the lead inspector for my company, and I currently hold customer Delegated Source Inspection certifications for MD Helicopters and the McDonnell Douglas Division of Boeing. This means that I REPRESENT the Customer DIRECTLY when I inspect the parts. Not even my boss, the QA Manager, can override me! I also have a Bachelor of Science Degree in Aerospace Engineering. So I know quality when I see it. That's why I carry Berettas and Emersons.

E_uTROLLia: I used to own Benchmades: AFCK, CQC7, 710, 940s, 720s, Stryker, Nimravus & Cub.. And then I bought my first Emerson. Now I'm dumping my BMs for EKIs as fast as I can. In fact, I have a Stryker I'll sell ya cheap. [Try sharpening that piece of crap] Now I carry Emersons exclusively!! Want to know why? Because they come from the factory scary sharp, they hold an edge, can be resharpened, and their overall quality is great. Not to mention the design and innovation. Not only is the Commander one hell of a knife, it is beautiful as well. Show me a beautiful BM. AND, I can take them apart without voiding the warranty!!

I understand about brand loyalty. But to come out personally attack Mr. Emerson as just hyping his knives is immature and uncalled for. If his knives were really that bad, would SEALs and astronauts, not to mention any other SecOps groups, use them? I think not. Their lives DEPEND on their equipment.

If you wanna trash Mr. E, I DARE you to do it at the NY Show. Oh yeah, have a suspect there to witness it so we have proof you had the balls. I'm sure Ark would love to see it [and the consequences]
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Brigadier
Beretta 92 FS nut and Wave-aholic
"And for this cause God shall send them stong delusion,that they should believe a lie;" 2 Thessalonians 2:11
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them." Ephesians 5:11

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I love all of the people who sit back, kick their shoes off, jump online and prop up Spyderco, Benchmade and Cold Steel Folders.

I have seen shoddy, piss-poor knives from all of them, all three of those companies.

I think on one level, there is just something about Ernie Emerson that they simply do not like.

What is it? I don't know, I don't really care, the subject of clubbing Emerson is so old and tired. It's nonsense.

And the guff about the Wave being a "gimmick," well, like I said earlier...I thought that form of stupidity died in 1998. I guess it did not.

In the end, who cares? I know what I have in my pocket serves me well. I know it will cut, I don't care if it is chisel ground, chisel ground on the wrong side for me because I am right handed, don't care if it is a modified chisel grind, don't care if the screws have a worn finish...wah ah wah ah wahwahwah, these people sound like a Dunlop CryBaby Wah Wah Pedal that needs a shot of WD-40.

I know the beating that my Commander Trainer has been through on training partners, focus mitts and heavy bags, I know the beating it took just to get the liners to rub a little bit.

All the rest is a crock.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
Maybe they try and pick on Ernie because he has the balls to put his name on his product. I own a couple and just because of these guys, I am ordering three more
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Reed

Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one, but nobody wants to hear about them.
 
Brigadier,
Whoa there, wait a minute. You put me and e-utopia (e_trollia as you called him) together. Don't do that. I'm on the other side of the issue. Apparently you didn't see the post where I traded for FIVE Emerson folders yesterday. I did not even post to the "hype" thread. My post was in the cqc7 wave thread on this board and was more about
local laws etc. than the product. Please be careful when you lump people together. I've got about 400 posts on this forum and have been here since it started. I knew Spark when he left Louisville to go to Florida and work for Mike. I post under my real first name. I am not a troll and will not stand for being called one.
 
Lewis,
My sincerest apologies.
Five Emersons in one trade? Damn, that's quite a score!

Again. I apologize.

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Brigadier
Beretta 92 FS nut and Wave-aholic
"And for this cause God shall send them stong delusion,that they should believe a lie;" 2 Thessalonians 2:11
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them." Ephesians 5:11
 
That's the insidious nature of trolling. People get hot, including me, and they flip the selector up to Full Auto.

And, to define what I am talking about;

I don't worship Ernie Emerson. Period. The only Man I ever "worshipped" was my Father and he's dead.

What I take offense at is the insinuations of ignorance and stupidity that some of these knuckleheads throw out.

That, and lies. I know some things are not "gimmicks," etc., and I don't like being lumped in with the herd. I'm not a "Weekend Warrior" or the really terrible name that gets thrown around, a "Rambo."

I'm a very peaceful person actually, I am prone more to laughter than any violence. I have taken some blade arts and if you try to hurt me, I will surely bust your ass. But that does not make me a "Rambo" or any of that nonsense. These people that generally lurk in the General Forum that often spew such nonsense are just, ______________ insert your favorite derogatory name.

One of them in particular from the first part of this year actually caused a forum at another site to be closed down. It was ludicrous. Sometimes the Internet is ludicrous.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
The original topic has been closed.

OK fine. Its probably for the better. I did want to send E-Utopia an e-mail to reply to his comments regarding ATS-34 corrosion resistance but he does not list an e-mail address. Hmmm...

Oh well. I held off posting a new topic to retort to his ATS-34. It seemed a little much.

I will point out that in his lengthy defense of his original comments he avoided explaining the fact that he really didn't do his homework regarding the SPECWAR connection with the Wave feature when saying it was a gizmo for weekend warriors. Hmmm... Maybe his original post should have read something like this:

"Its just a gizmo for weekend warriors... Oh yeah and SEALs too. But hey, why should they factor in on this flimsy rant?"

There, that sounds about right.

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Consider these quotes run together;

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e_utopia:
All Emerson's have is a 'gizmo factor', with gimmicks like the 'Wave'. Let me clue you in, here: anyone with an ounce of skill can open a folder the same way, using the thumbstud and the edge of their pocket.[1] Things like the Wave are just to allow 'weekend warriors' who can't be bothered to actually learn these skills, but enjoy feeling like big-tough-knife-fighters.[2] Not to mention that it's illegal, in many places.[3]

As to the Wave being illegal, I was pointing out that EKI is behaving in an irresponsible manner, since they must certainly know this, yet I have never heard them mention it.[4] So someone ends up on the wrong end of the law, without even knowing it. Obviously, it is, at the final assessment, the buyer's responsibility to check local laws, but to market something whose legality is so hard to determine, without even a warning...[5]

Oh, and I would say any of this to Mr. Emerson, right to his face. I have no problem with doing so. Maybe he'll show u at the NY show, this fall, and I'll have the chance.[6]</font>
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[1] That's funny, I'm glad the Benchmades he mentioned are tip up carry knives, many are not. You'll be having a hard time doing it tip down. And, personally, I have been around a whole hell of alot of knife people in the past 15 years and I'll be damned if I ever seen anyone "Wave" open a folder until Ernie designed the damned thing. So, this is more than a little disingenuous.

[2] See the nice insults? But if you call him an "A-Hole," you're the Bad Guy who stoops to insults. What a troll.

[3] So, he states that he lives in Massachusetts and Maine, or that is where he is from, whatever. SO...Massachusetts is now like California, whatever stupid law they have, the rest of the country has to sit and suck on it? Massachusetts is not even a BLIP on the radar screen. Neither is Maryland. Both of them suck with equal audacity. I'm waiting to hear about "all of the areas" where the Wave is illegal by definition of the law when the only one I could find is Massachusetts and stated it in this forum a couple months ago.

And, what if the Wave is made illegal? Who gives a flying fook? The guy is talking about Microtechs and whatnot, give me a break. The guy just doesn't like Ernie Emerson and that is all there is to it. PERIOD.

[4] EKI should concern themselves with what a bunch of liberal bedwetters in Massachusetts passed? This guy is a hoot. Massachusetts is the center of the Universe to him. Egad, please, my eyes are bleeding.

[5] Want a warning? Like a pack of Marlboros? "Waving can be addictive and hazardous to dress pants." Whattadick.

[6] I hope he tells Ernie, "to his face," at a show that he should run his company and design his knives with Massachusetts in mind. That would be sort of fun to watch. Sell tickets as someone gets told to get fooked.

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
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