Must you have the newest steel? ZDP-calypso?

HoB said:
Since you chose to use such a blanket statement, I suggest you start dressing warm....because Hell is about to freeze over (CPM 3V is a nonstainless carbon steel).
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What are you talking about? What's this? 3V? Which model.

I gotta quit sleeping at night.... :eek: :D
 
I like trying new steels. This new ZDP Caly lives up to the hype. It is a awesome little cutter.
 
Must I have the new steel craze? No. But must we try out new designs? Why do we need anything different than say a Buck 110? The answer is simply that someone wants to buy it and try it out because they want to. And with all the hype on ZDP-189 a lot of people do. Sure is a lot easier for more people to try it out with a knife that is selling for around 65$ vs a knife that is 300$+. And of course Spyderco is in it to make money. The difference is that they are involved in the knife community and listen to their buyers. The way you came off in your post sounds like you have some issue with Spyderco and that they are some greedy corporation. Last I checked not many greedy corporations provide free knives to soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Added bonus that the knives have special print of the theatre of operations on the blade.

And by the way I don't own a ZDP-189 Spyderco Calypso Jr.
 
Halfneck said:
. The way you came off in your post sounds like you have some issue with Spyderco and that they are some greedy corporation.
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1) No I didn't.
2) If you're not refering to me, please be clear who you are refering to. Thanks.
 
gajinoz said:
Just as a matter of interest, (and entirely changing the subject), why do you prefer tip up carry? Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just wondering why you prefer it. I can't decide which I prefer so I guess I'm looking for reasons ...


Actually, I've just had a think about it. Don't answer this question here, didn't mean to hijcack the thread, I'll start a whole new thread about the subject.
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I'll PM you, on the tip-up reason for the preference.
 
I love studying the technicalities of knife steel. Looking at ZDP-189, it should be a winner. I like the high RC.
When somthing better comes out in the right model. I'll get it.
(I have a ZDP-189 Calypso Jr. on the way)
 
Yes, I HAD to have one, after reading about this steel in a magazine, It was actually about the Willaim Henry with ZDP-189.

I will never be able to afford/justify USING a 300 - 400 dollar knife, I end up babying any knife over 100 - I know, I need therapy.

I posted a plea on spyderco forum asking Sal to please try out this new steel on either the calyso jr lywt or the military, so there would be no re-tooling involved, thus being more affordable. - He stated they were way ahead of me & were getting ready with the calypso jr & the delica.

I also think that the Calypso jr is as close to a perfect slicer as I ever expect to see.

I used to have a black handled calypso jr ltwt, but foolishly traded it.
As soon as the grey handled ones came out, knowing they were a limited run, I bought 2, in case I lost or used/abused the first too much over the years.

I will probably buy the delica as well, I love the blue handle & want to try the solid (not laminated) zdp-189, even though I dont like sabre ground/flat ground knives as well as a blade that has a flat ground blade all the way to the spine because of thinner relief grind.

They will probably be collectable, but I want to be able to afford to use them as they were intended.

I have a few knives that I just fondle & admire for their being precision MACHINES, like high end benchmade axis models, as well as being works of art. I just cant bring myself to scuff them up.
 
Although I didn't read the entire thread, it seems to me that bashing Spyderco for actually making products that sell for a (gasp!) profit is silly. If you don't want to buy, don't buy. Last I heard, the USA is still a place where capitalism rules (right? :) )

Meanwhile, many satisfied Spyderco customers will also do what we wish to do, too - which is to continue to buy products that work well, and are well serviced. Please keep 'em comin', Sal & co!
 
brownshoe said:
For example, where is CMP440V...
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Pretty much directly replaced by S30V, which is tooling to likely be replaced to some extent by CPM-154CM or used as a heavy alternative anyway.

Fads more or less come and go with no lasting influence, S30V is the newest in a continuing line of development.

Hell will freeze over if they ever used a non-stainless carbon steel.
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Yeah, I'd like to see the Calpyso Jr. in M2, full hard, high hollow grind. A fairly niche market for that though.

-Cliff
 
Must you have the newest steel?
- No.
... would I like to have it? ... sure, why not! :D

ZDP-calypso?
- Looks like a winner to me :thumbup:
... but I'm biased ... the calypso jr is by and far my all time favourite Spydie.

I am sure that IF this combo (ZDP & Calypso Jr) does not do well, Sal may well not go ahead with other similar combo's:
Business is business, anyway you look at it. (Capitalism)

Joe
 
joe90 said:
... would I like to have it? ... sure, why not!
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Why not is the exact topic of this thread. Like the possibility of getting a knife that you paid a premium for (as in new knives always drop in price after a couple of months) with a steel that might not be, and usually isn't as fanatastic as all the hype surrounding it.
 
IMO very few developments seen in cutlery steel are that big a deal. At least not in my lifetime they haven't been.

As a base for comparison, I use any of the quality carbon steels that have been around for years: 1095, O2, 52100, and so on.

I think 440C was an important step in stainless. With a good heat treat it rivals the carbon steels for edge holding, though lacking toughness. I don't know exactly how long 440C's been around, but I've had knives made in the '70's out of 440C, so say 30 years, give or take.

Since then, nothing really impressed me as a big improvement in stainless until BG-42 and VG-10 came along. And even at that, I've got carbon steel blades that hold an edge better than either (S30V I've had mixed experience, so no firm opinion there.)

So to answer the question no, I don't feel I gotta rush out and get a new knife in the latest steel. I really prefer to let the dust and the hype settle, wait for any problems like with heat treat to be worked out.... and even then, I usually only wind up buying something out of one of the newer steels only if I have a real need or use for some knife made out of it.

I'll admit, however, ZDP-189 sounds like it might really be something special, and I'm tempted.
 
I got one. The only place I could find it was at the Syderco Store. It does have a clip that will allow me to use it left handed. This will be interesting as I have not bought syderco for a long time.
 
Scott Dog said:
This will be interesting as I have not bought syderco for a long time.
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HOLY COW!!! Scott, you'd better find a scrimshawer to put a Reeve symbol on the FRN or you might have an allergic reaction. :eek:
 
Think of it like Sex!! ;)

Not a "Must" Not a "Need" just a "Desire"

You can get by without it,,,,you can make do with Less.

(Even fairly expensive knives seem to be cheaper to me than Sex)

Just think, what knife would you use if some one else paid for it?

Would you pick a different one if you had to cut with it all day?

Ask a meat cutter who just trims,,,and cuts all day, what he wants in a knife?

Stays sharp longer,,,sharpens easier,,,safe to use, Comfortable?

I have done Stupid things to and for knives,,,,,and I plan to do it again.

I've Seen me do it.
 
I thought of it as a "fun" thing to do. There might be some profit in it, but not the kind you'd think.

Brownshoe is very consistent in his comments. He says what he thinks honestly. I usually don't agree with him, but I will defend his right to his opinion. We actually have agreed on a couple of things ;) .

We can do M2, D2, 3V or whatever our customers want. If you want more ZDP, we'll make it.

We currently working on the solid ZDP Delica, I guess the next on our list is CPM-125V, Native format. I'm sure there will be a 1000 or so steel junkies that will want to try it.

I'm thankful that companies like Crucible, Hitachi, Timkin-Latrobe, Takefu, Myodo, etc. are into their steels enough to push their own envelopes. I'm honored to be able to provide product to you with their product. For those of you that enjoy and appreciate the effort, thanx.

I believe we've already shipped out all of the ZDP Caly jrs.

sal
 
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