My Carbon Steel Rant

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Uggghhhhhh!!!!!!!! For the first time all year, it's been exceptionally hot in Upstate New York. The last 3 days have been beastly, temperatures reaching as high as 95 degrees yesterday afternoon, and humid. My wife and I haven't gotten around to putting the air conditioner in the bedroom window yet, so we've just been leaving the windows open and turning on some fans.

Well, I always have a few choice traditional pocketknives on my nightstand. I grab one every morning, and put it in my pocket. The rest of my knives live in a storage room upstairs, safe and sound. The windows are always closed upstairs, and the door is kept shut.

Anyway, I go to grab a knife from my nightstand last night, a pristine Case CV sowbelly stockman, to cut up some cardboard for recycling. I open the big sheepsfoot, and stare at a giant nasty orange patch of rust. Two blades now have deeply pitted spots on them, after buffing them out.

To make matters worse, all 3 of the carbon steel knives on my nightstand were effected. The Sowbelly got it the worst, but my Soda Scout and Esky Zulu also had large orange rust spots, and those two already had a heavy patina going on them.

The three remaining knives on my dresser, My Boker 440C camp knife, my Camillus 440A C4 saw scout, and me Remington 440A Trailhand were not even remotely effected.

I am now officially sick of carbon steel. I really love old traditional pocketknives, and I love the edge I can get on 1095 with just an Arkansas stone. I also adore the look of a blade with a nice dark patina. But it just isn't worth it, for knives that I actually plan on using. This exact same thing happened to me last year also, and three of four GEC's were forever pitted. I went camping last summer, spent a rainy two days in a tent, and couldn't keep up with the rust forming on my Texas Camp Knife.

I've never liked Case's soft Tru-Sharp all that much, so Case is now pretty much eliminated from my purchasing decisions altogether, other than the occasional model with upgraded steel.

I'm also done with 99% of the GEC knives that are manufactured. I love GEC with all my heart. I really do. But I just can't stomach the heartache of not being able to use their knives for even a few summer days without ruining them. I have no interest in buying them, just to forever store them in dark dry room. That's not me.

So where does this leave me in the traditional knife world? I'm not totally sure. I only really collect American-made pocketknives, and there isn't much made in America anymore, that is of decent quality and features stainless steel.

Maybe Queen's D2 will surprise me, and not be effected like my carbon steel knives were. It's hard to say. Maybe I'll toss a D2 "test knife" in my bedroom for a couple days, and see what happens. But I'm not sure that I like the idea of buying Queens from the Internet, where I can't handle them first. And they aren't sold in stores locally.

I have a feeling that I'll be saving a whole lot of money from here on. I have a GEC #66 preorder still outstanding, and I'll pick up the Bladeforums knife this year, but I think that's it for me, in the world of carbon steel. I'm done with it. I'm sick of carbon steel and all of its issues. There's a good reason why stainless was invented.

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Buy customs in Cpm 154, problem solved.

I like carbon steel as much as the next guy but if I had to deal with what you do I wouldn't bother.
 
I live with the it and just consider it a part of it. West Tennessee is pretty humid 4 or 5 months of the year.

I love my grandfather's and great grandfather's knives bc/ they show use and life memories attached. They are far from pristine and Im glad they are not. They were users such as yours.

Sorry for the frustration, but hey, they have some more character now.
 
I hear ya, OP. I live in Florida and out of the 100 or so knives I own, only 5 aren't stainless.
 
I've carried Case, Hen and Rooster, and Boker carbon steel knives for fifty years. It's pretty humid in South Carolina too. I don't put away knives without a little oil on the blades. Back in the day when I had only a couple of knives (a slip joint for the pocket and a fixed blade for deer), rust was not as big an issue because I used them everyday (slipjoint) or stored it (fixed blade) after a wipe down with an oiled cloth. But I do use stainless blades a lot as well, I don't use carbon in the kitchen as a rule.
 
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GEC needs more 440C options. No doubt about it.

That said, there's no reason to be overly upset about your users oxidizing and pitting unless you expect the value, as a user, to maintain or increase in resale value.
 
Buzz I hear you regarding carbon steel user knives. It is very humid in my home state of Missouri in the summers, and it requires extra effort to carry and use carbon steel and keep it clean and rust free.

While I don't shy away from carbon steel, I also don't seek it out exclusively. I prefer stainless by a lot anymore. However: so many of the carbon steel traditional knives, whether old or new, have that indelible character and appeal that they just beg to be carried on occasion.

So for me it depends on the occasion. Working or playing outside and sweating? Rainy? Especially humid? I carry stainless unless I am prepared or have the desire to pay attention to the condition of my blades a bit more.
 
I feel ya, Buzz. My knives don't rust or pit just laying around the house but so far my HVAC system hasn't failed me yet so that might be why. My problem is usually sweat soaking through my pocket. I did an experiment several years ago just to see if my paranoia was unjustified. I purposely carried a carbon steel knife (GEC Tidioute 25) on a really hot and humid day at the workplace. The blade had a patina on it and wasn't effected but the backspring had red rust on it after just one day in my pocket. I don't think I even used the knife that day.

Sure, a little daily maintenance goes a long way but I've got enough things to do already.

I would be very interested in knowing the results of your D2 test if you decide to do it.
 
I get excited over the few new releases of traditional knives with more durable steels. I haven't had any problems with my carbon steel knives rusting, as such, but I don't like stopping in the middle of a job to sharpen a knife. A newer un-tried steel just adds another dimension to buying and using knives.
 
While I haven't had a carbon steel knife for too long only a few months I keep mine coated with mineral oil it just sees office use and while I am not in West TN I am in Middle TN so we get plenty of humidity here too.
 
Hey one observation and simple thought (you probably already figured it out)... leaving your knives out on top of the dresser with the windows open most likely obtained moisture settling in from the air at dew point over night... simply covering them up with a piece of paper or anything (I put mine in a drawer) to prevent the moisture from collecting onto them will prevent it all.
 
a lot of their new releases are in ats 34 and cpm 154 recently
I have only seen 420hc from them recently. Looks like I will be looking through my vendors.
Thanks
 
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