My Disappointment with Ernest Emerson

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Has anyone else read the most recent "The Way I see It" on EKI's website (July 2010)? I am no bleeding heart liberal and I am not a Muslim, but I am genuinely starting to get an uneasy feeling. I am one of Mr. Emerson's biggest knife fans (I have a custom Emerson knife collection valued at over $40,000). I also understand he is no fan of the current political administration in the White House and in Congress, count me as not a big fan either. But, to state what he is stating about a religion (Islam) is smacking of "Intolerance". Before you get mad and start to think I am a nut, I want to state unequivacly that Mr. Emerson, not only has the right to say what he wants, but because we live in this country, which was founded on freedoms, such as speech, assembly, writing, and oh yeah, RELIGION, he should be encouraged to do so.

However, I judge people by what they do and say (since words can kill, see what happens if you yell fire in a crowded building), not by what religion they practice. Do I want to see the cowards, who want to see the USA fall, be hunted down and killed? You damn right I do! Do I want the idiots who believe that blowing themselves up, as well as others, because they think their religion is better than anyone else’s, be wiped off the planet? Yep!! I believe in these things so much, I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1989 and served in the Submarine Service until I was injured during the first Gulf War and Honorably discharged due to a disability. I believe so much in protecting what I believe, that almost since the day I left the Navy, I have served my country as a law enforcement officer, first at the local level, and then at the Federal level. I speak to people (mostly law enforcement and military) almost every day who hold Mr. Emerson’s skills as a knife maker and tactics instructor in high regard. As a certified defensive tactics instructor for both Federal and local law enforcement agencies, I trained officers and agents on tactics which are similar to Mr. Emerson’s. But, some of them, and I do mean special operators too, are not happy with some of what Mr. Emerson is now stating. Most, such as myself, may hold what he is stating and what he has stated in the past in some regard, but what he has stated NOW is a bit much, even for an ultra conservative like him.

I have read some of the posts in support of his views on the OTHER knife forum, which he helped form. Many of them are in lock step with him. That is fine, but I did not know that in order to like knives and appreciate their beauty, it meant you had to make sweeping statements about a religion, based on what you have heard from others and what you have read from ultra conservative writers, and not by what you have heard or seen firsthand. I have served in the military and in law enforcement positions with Muslims, and I was NEVER in fear for my safety just because of the religion they practiced. In fact, I have seen several Muslim individuals die in service for this country. Furthermore, when I was stationed and served in Europe and the Middle East in the Navy and as a Federal Agent, I was disgusted with the negative comments about Christians, Jews, Hindu’s, etc. made by the right wing Islamists in those countries. Much of the arguments they made against the aforementioned religions were based on many of the premises that Mr. Emerson now uses to rail against Islam (quotes from religious texts, personal beliefs, etc.). I happen to be a Christian and I try to practice what J.C. preached and what is in this country’s constitution and laws, TOLERANCE. Mr. Emerson, sometimes it is much harder, and a better show of character, to fight for the ideals you espouse (freedom, creativity, professionalism, courage, honor, etc.), rather than to show your contempt for others.

Just a thought from a fan of your work, not your words.

FEDKNIFELOVER
Sean L.

p.s. By no means am I looking for agreement on my views. I just felt I had to say something.
 
I saw it as a huge insult to every Muslim in the US Armed Forces fighting for their country, for one thing.
He has the balls to say what he thinks, I'll give him that, but I have to say that he's just plain wrong (I have balls too;)).
 
It's called "The Way I See It"......His opinion. He obviously doesn't care if his personal views aren't the same as yours. You don't have to agree with it - and that's cool.

Hell, you want my view? ALL religions are BS and should be done away with. You want to practice something in private, at home? Go for it. Good for you! But keep it private.
Too many people getting killed and pissed off at others because of their ideals.



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Mr. Emerson's political views are not really my concern given that I do not know him personally, and given that he does not have enough political influence to affect my life in any way. I am only interested in the quality and price of his products.

In the U.S., we pride ourselves in having the freedom to say whatever we like without fear of censorship. The First Amendment was not written to protect popular ideas. Popular ideas do not need protection.
 
Mr. Emerson's political views are not really my concern given that I do not know him personally, and given that he does not have enough political influence to affect my life in any way. I am only interested in the quality and price of his products.

In the U.S., we pride ourselves in having the freedom to say whatever we like without fear of censorship. The First Amendment was not written to protect popular ideas. Popular ideas do not need protection.

I agree with everything in this post.:thumbup:
 
Can I just say that there is no such thing as "tolerance". Tolerance is about what people see as "tolerable". That is different from person to person. Everyone has a list of things they will and will not tolerate. If you look at it from a logical perspective you cannot stand up and make a statement against someone and say they are "intolerant" without being intolerant yourself. You do not tolerate the fact that the other person does not tolerate something. So to some degree we are all intolerant of something. That is just the way it is and as soon as we declare that someone is "intolerant" we ourselves also show our intolerance for their views.

I think the whole argument of "tolerance" is useless and it just sounds politically correct. At the same time true tolerance is not possible. When someone says "Mr. Emerson is not TOLERANT" then they are really saying, "I am not tolerant of Mr. Emerson's "intolerance"! That's very contradictory.

Jesus called the non-Jewish people "dogs" in Matthew 15:26,27 and he constantly went up against the beliefs of certain Jewish sects (because there were more than one at that time). So..........I cannot figure out why we say that even Jesus was 100% tolerant because he was not. If he was tolerant than he should tolerate the fact that people want to find their own way to heaven and even if they don't want to go through him he should tolerate any way they see fit ...................if he is 100% tolerant. Step inside any church today and listen to them preach tolerance then look around to find how many examples of tolerance they show in their words and actions. Lack of tolerance over some idea is the main reason we have so many denominations. If someone from a different religion came in and wanted to preach their views from a Christian pulpit how much of that would the church people "tolerate" before they put a stop to it? Would they allow someone to come in and preach an entirely different way to heaven every week all in the name of "tolerance" even if what was being preached was totally against what they believe? Of course they wouldn't!!! Tolerance does not exist. It only exists in fairy tales and as long as people are not forced to listen to or tolerate anyone elses views imposing on theirs. As long as you keep your views to yourself then everyone tolerates it.......other than that.....there is no tolerance.

Tolerance Is a Myth!!!
 
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What gets really annoying is watching Muslims gripe about the very freedoms from which they hide behind. Mr. Emerson is a private citizen and is entitled to his opinion and is perfectly within his rights to post his opinion on his website or anywhere else for that matter. The term "tolerance" is used now as an excuse, much like the race card, to draw attention away from what people in this country should be concerned with. If people want tolerance, let them lead the way by showing tolerance towards opinions like Ernest Emerson's.

It's seldom to see people anymore with the guts to post such views and I for one, salute Ernest Emerson for taking such a stand. This country could use more people like him to tell it like it is and not succumb to all of the political correctness that has infected our country, in teh name of tolerance no less.

I am in the market for a new knife and after reading E Emerson's piece, I will be more inclined to support his products and company than ever. His article was actually more than mere opinion, as it was backed up by actual facts and excerpts from the book he was speaking about.
 
At least with Mr. Emerson you know where he stands and when you give your money to purchase his products you know what the owner believes. How much money do we spend and invest with other companies and we have no idea whatsoever what their owners believe and where our money is used after we buy their goods and services?
 
At least with Mr. Emerson you know where he stands and when you give your money to purchase his products you know what the owner believes. How much money do we spend and invest with other companies and we have no idea whatsoever what their owners believe and where our money is used after we buy their goods and services?

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I personally stopped reading that section of the EKI site years ago after reading some "eyebrow raising" comments.

........but then I've never really had much interest in other peoples oppinions, reagrdless of who they are. :)
 
He sells knives, he makes money, he puts up a website, he posts what he wants on it.
People who think along the lines he does should read what he writes.
People who like his knives should buy them.
Nothing else matters.
 
I just got done reading the piece and I believe he has a lot of valid things to say there. There are many countries around the world who are grappling with this very thing. Witness the efforts in France to make wearing the full face veil illegal. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and these are people who are NOT known for their tolerance of other people's view points.

However, there are many countries in the world where Muslim people live alongside Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and manage to get along reasonably well. I know, I live in one of them! People do this because the consequences of doing otherwise would be disastrous. That being said it is not always a peaceful co-existence. Look at conflicts that erupt sporadically around the globe, you will oftentimes see that there is a Muslim group involved in some way. More often than not!

They are by nature war-like and willing to go to the mat for their beliefs. Let's not fool ourselves. When the shit goes down, people stick with their own kind. What we have to work on, in every way possible, is ensuring that the shit does not go down!

And that nutjob who is running Iran right now is a pretty good example of someone who could create a major WWIII type situation where sides will be taken. Let's just hope like hell it doesn't come to that.
 
Bigots are everywhere. Religious fanatics are everywhere. In the USA we have our own version of the Taliban. The American Taliban that wants us to all live under their version of the Christian bible. How are they any different than the Islamic fanatics that want their countries ruled by religion?
Just look at the current crop of Teabaggers/who are really just the same old fringe Republican Christian Right fanatics.
This country is supposed to be secular as far as the gov is concerned. Some want it to be a God fearing Christian Bible following country.
Emersons views smack of fear that the right has been promoting as far back as I remember.
 
What gets really annoying is watching Muslims gripe about the very freedoms from which they hide behind. Mr. Emerson is a private citizen and is entitled to his opinion and is perfectly within his rights to post his opinion on his website or anywhere else for that matter. The term "tolerance" is used now as an excuse, much like the race card, to draw attention away from what people in this country should be concerned with. If people want tolerance, let them lead the way by showing tolerance towards opinions like Ernest Emerson's.

It's seldom to see people anymore with the guts to post such views and I for one, salute Ernest Emerson for taking such a stand. This country could use more people like him to tell it like it is and not succumb to all of the political correctness that has infected our country, in teh name of tolerance no less.

I am in the market for a new knife and after reading E Emerson's piece, I will be more inclined to support his products and company than ever. His article was actually more than mere opinion, as it was backed up by actual facts and excerpts from the book he was speaking about.

Haywood when is he going to speak out against the fanatical Christians right here in America?
He is entitled to his opinion but he doesnt get points for letting us know hes a bigot.
 
Esav said it best. And I'm not kissing azz.
When we ran a business, we did NOT discuss politics.
 
It didn't bother me because, mainly, it's his opinion & he's entitled to it. It does clearly say it's his opinion. Free speech works both ways & besides, he's a knife maker/designer. Don't read that section if you find it offensive.

Also, even if you don't agree with him, he wasn't calling to kill/harm anyone, just not to allow Muslims to over-run the country, that's all (Sharia law allowing Muslims to basically commit illegal acts but get away with it, anyone?).

If you truly find what he says that offensive, I suppose you can not buy or obtain any of his knives. Something tells me this won't bother him, though.
 
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