My dream knife, who would want this poll?

[singularity35]

You must be joking. A near duplicate knife, with all the colors everyone wants, with very similar durability rating. How would that not sell? And based on the hype I'm think it would be the best time to do it now.

You are saying Spyderco won't lose. Maybe where you are you just blow air out your a**. Most of the people I know are serious about what they say loudly proclaim.

Your funny, you are going off the deep end Sir. If I worked at Spyderco I would do it. Even the guys at Spyderco don't risk their own money. 50k for 600 pieces, sounds great. $50,000 divided by 600 equals $83.34. I am relatively certain that your numbers are off there chippo. An Endura cost $60 street value, so I doubt Spyderco is making them for $83.34.........The most they would cost is around $50 to make. I would assume even less than that.

P.s. I made a broad comment, don't try and make up numbers just to prove your point. If I worked at Spyderco, I would risk the capital if it cost $50 or less to make. I would put a Retail value of $100 and a street value of $65. If you wanna keep going with this argument you can, but seriously it just sounds like you are upset that Spyderco is making more in the first place.


Edit: fr bad grammar.

If you did your research, you would know the approximate cost of a 600 piece sprint run which is practically what you are asking for. Maybe read more...Believe me, some of us have been here long enough and wanted a discontinued knife hard enough to calculate costs for a new run.

Making a para 2 with a backlock is not just a matter of sticking a new lock on it. It will be a complete redesign. In effect it will be a new model. Setting up tooling for a new model is expensive and Spyderco will need to sell a lot to get back their investment. They will probably not invest a lot of money on your say so.

The para 2 at around $100 is an experiment at lower margins of profit but they are selling a lot of them. The endura and delica can be sold at that price point because the tooling is already in place and they are proven moneymakers.

If the people at Spyderco aren't doing it, there must be a good reason. You been here less than a month and you're already outguessing an industry leader.

Your funny, you are going off the deep end Sir. ...

Nah, you just dug yourself into a hole with your big mouth and you're trying to use me as a step to get out of the hole. LOL

 

[The Mastiff]

You been here less than a month and you're already outguessing an industry leader.

I find these kind of threads funny too. People who know it all and have everything figured out to perfection, in their own minds.

It makes me wonder why he isn't running his own knife company.

Joe

 

[singularity35]

I find these kind of threads funny too. People who know it all and have everything figured out to perfection, in their own minds.

It makes me wonder why he isn't running his own knife company.

Joe

Hehehe.

 

[The Deacon]

If you did your research, you would know the approximate cost of a 600 piece sprint run which is practically what you are asking for. Maybe read more...Believe me, some of us have been here long enough and wanted a discontinued knife hard enough to calculate costs for a new run.

Making a para 2 with a backlock is not just a matter of sticking a new lock on it. It will be a complete redesign. In effect it will be a new model. Setting up tooling for a new model is expensive and Spyderco will need to sell a lot to get back their investment. They will probably not invest a lot of money on your say so.

The para 2 at around $100 is an experiment at lower margins of profit but they are selling a lot of them. The endura and delica can be sold at that price point because the tooling is already in place and they are proven moneymakers.

If the people at Spyderco aren't doing it, there must be a good reason. You been here less than a month and you're already outguessing an industry leader.




Nah, you just dug yourself into a hole with your big mouth and you're trying to use me as a step to get out of the hole. LOL

And, if you simply read his first post, you'd realize that what he was asking for was "a Delica with the blade shape of a PM2". So the only "redesign" involved is changing the shape of a Delica's blade and the wholesale cost of a PM2 Sprint Run is totally irrelevant.

I still say that, if someone wants a straight spined, pointy tipped Delica 4, that's easily accomplished by sending their knife and some money to someone like Tom Krein rather than counting on Spyderco changing the existing version or adding yet another Delica 4 variant. No idea exactly what it would cost, but I'd bet on $50 or less. Granted it won't be an exact scaled down copy of the PM's blade shape, it will probably have a bit less belly, but it should be pretty darn close.

 

[singularity35]

And, if you simply read his first post, you'd realize that what he was asking for was "a Delica with the blade shape of a PM2". So the only "redesign" involved is changing the shape of a Delica's blade and the wholesale cost of a PM2 Sprint Run is totally irrelevant.

I still say that, if someone wants a straight spined, pointy tipped Delica 4, that's easily accomplished by sending their knife and some money to someone like Tom Krein rather than counting on Spyderco changing the existing version or adding yet another Delica 4 variant. Granted it won't be an exact scaled down copy of the PM's blade shape, it will probably have a bit less belly, but it should be pretty darn close.

Yep, but then he added this about the blue para.

I bet sales would be just as good if not way better if they treated it like it was a more classic alternative to the Endura or Delica.

Put a standard lock-back on it, VG-10 steel, 4 different colors, and sell that bad boy for the same price as the Endura and their sales would go through the roof. I'm fairly certain it wouldn't cost not one dime more than the Endura or Delica would too, so their profit margin would be just fine.

Sounds like a new model to me.

 

[NeedItCheaper]

Your still just fuming. I wanna see your research.

 

[NeedItCheaper]

Woops, didn't mean to post that.





Let me add: In the end if the poll shows that not many want it, then the thread has proved it's usefulness and I got my answer. Buddy, you make me laugh. Probably spend your days trying to win useless arguements online. Hope you had fun winning absolutely nothing.<inappropriate emoticon removed>

 

[singularity35]

Nope, your idea was not just not very feasible. And yes, I am competitive.

Para 2 with existing tooling sells at $100 street price. Maybe 20 percent of that is markup. Let's say production cost is $80 each, times 600 pieces. I guess you can do the math from there.

Or we can take it further and maybe say that Spyderco sells to dealers at $60 each. That's still a sizeable chunk of change to risk on a model that overlaps 2 of their best sellers.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that they are at full capacity now. To produce a new model would mean taking production capacity away from some proven best sellers. Some models would have to be shelved or put on backburner.

 

[Morrow]

Gentlemen,

The thread is starting to get stinky. Do NOT make each other the topic of conversation. Discuss the topic or don't post.

Jason

 

[The Deacon]

Yep, but then he added this about the blue para.

I bet sales would be just as good if not way better if they treated it like it was a more classic alternative to the Endura or Delica.

Put a standard lock-back on it, VG-10 steel, 4 different colors, and sell that bad boy for the same price as the Endura and their sales would go through the roof. I'm fairly certain it wouldn't cost not one dime more than the Endura or Delica would too, so their profit margin would be just fine.

Sounds like a new model to me.

Dang, I missed that. Sorry.

Have to agree that post shows a definite unfamiliarity with the realities of knife production. The R&D expenses involved in creating a new model, even if it "only" involves changing the lock. The cost difference between G-10 and FRN. One only has to look back at what the G-10 Delica and Endura cost compared to the FRN versions to get an idea of that. The cost of shipping VG-10 to the USA, or the greater cost of manufacturing the entire knife in Japan. Not to mention the ill will which moving production of a US made model overseas may cause.

 

[singularity35]

Dang, I missed that. Sorry.

Have to agree that post shows a definite unfamiliarity with the realities of knife production. The R&D expenses involved in creating a new model, even if it "only" involves changing the lock. The cost difference between G-10 and FRN. One only has to look back at what the G-10 Delica and Endura cost compared to the FRN versions to get an idea of that. The cost of shipping VG-10 to the USA, or the greater cost of manufacturing the entire knife in Japan. Not to mention the ill will which moving production of a US made model overseas may cause.

Not a problem Paul, I was just trying to explain to the OP how things were.

 

[RevDevil]

Oh man, I hate that look. I probably just shell out the $100 for the black version.

You must be joking. A near duplicate knife, with all the colors everyone wants, with very similar durability rating. How would that not sell? And based on the hype I'm think it would be the best time to do it now.

I find these kind of threads funny too. People who know it all and have everything figured out to perfection, in their own minds.

It makes me wonder why he isn't running his own knife company.

Joe

Self disagreement/arguing might be one cause.

 

[dialex]

...And I was living under the impression that the OP simply wants a new Delica handles (Gen. IV) with an old school Delica blade (Gen. I, II and III)... :foot:

As for a Paramilitary with a lockback, this would deny the whole concept of the Paramilitary (open construction, few moving parts, lightweightness aso). Yes, it can be done, and it would probably be a great knife but not a Paramillie.