My experience with Emerson's customer service

Dear Glockfire,

Please state specifically the way that my company burned you and what it was specifically, that someone from my company told you that was your fault.

I will address your grievance personally.

My Best Regards,

Ernest Emerson











dear
glockfire,
 
Mr. Emerson,

thank you for taking the time to personally address my concerns, I understand that you are a busy man so it speaks volumes about you to do this. Because you addressed this in a professional manner, I will email you through this site so we don't have to discuss it publicly.

thank you so much,
Grant
S/F

edit: I couldn't find an email for you, if you could please email me at soldiersblood@msn.com so you don't have to post an email on here it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Because you addressed this in a professional manner, I will email you through this site so we don't have to discuss it publicly.


if you could please email me at soldiersblood@msn.com so you don't have to post an email on here it would be greatly appreciated.

Grant,

I am pretty sure you didn't post your experience in order to stir the pot. But since you did post that you had a problem with EKI publicly, I for one am very curious on how you got burned.

I am sure that you and Mr. Emerson most likely will be able to work something out, but it would probably benefit all end users if you discuss the exact nature of the problem. Someone else might be experiencing the same thing.

Thanks :)
 
Grant,

I am pretty sure you didn't post your experience in order to stir the pot. But since you did post that you had a problem with EKI publicly, I for one am very curious on how you got burned.

I am sure that you and Mr. Emerson most likely will be able to work something out, but it would probably benefit all end users if you discuss the exact nature of the problem. Someone else might be experiencing the same thing.

Thanks :)

Roger that, I hear ya. If Ernest would like me to post it publicly I will.
 
Dear Glockfire,

After replying to you, I have still not received any email so I am still in the dark. Also, our email is available all over the web and since you've already dealt with us how can you not find our website or just contact me through Bladeforums.

We are always forthright in all our interactions with our customers. I need you to specifically describe how we burned you twice and what it was that you were told by someone at my company that was your fault. I'm just as curious as everyone else. Post anything and everything you want.

Best Regards,

Ernest R. Emerson
 
I was burned by Mr Emerson and his company. I blame him personaly for my addiction. I am now living my life one day at a time as an Emerson Knifeaholic.
His evil quality and innovation have lead me to my condition. I have allways loved good kit and quality edged tools but now thanks to Emerson I feel the shakes and chills of a crackhead when I feel the need for more Emerson knives. My pockets are worn and I feel naked without at least 3 Emerson knives weighing me down. Darn you Mr. Emerson no one ever felt this burning for a "cold steel"
 
Ive owned three EKI knives: New Super Karambit, Used Mini Commander, New CQC 11. This was over a period of time between 2007 and May 2010. Here's the lowdown:

Super Karambit:I believe I purchased this from Knife Center in Feb-Mar of 07. Found it to be an extremely cool knife, loved the wave. Was a little rough overall on F&F, BUT, that didnt bother me as this was such a cool knife. Stupid sharp, I'm talking razor blades could learn from this. I even made a review on youtube which has garnered over 25000 views and has most likely brough EKI some good business. Here's where the problems start: I carried this knife solely as a defensive knife, my user was a Delica 3. I could tell the blade was fragile, so I rarely used it, but that was to be expected. While cutting a medium strength fabric in an upward slicing motion (See flight suit sleeves), the last 1/4" or so of the blade literally disappeared. I was in shock. I didnt hit anything hard, nor did it cut through anything behind the blade. I am assuming there must have been some sort of hairline fracture in the blade from mfging, shipping, something. I called EKI and spoke to a female, who after making sure I hadnt been using it as a utility knife, told me I could send it in and buy a new blade if it could be sharpened out, which clearly it could not. I called again a day later and spoke to the same female who rudely told me I could pay for a new blade, shipping, and return shipping. I was dumbfounded, but not totally turned off. I was able to sell the knife on Ebay and recouped more than if I had paid for shipping and repairs.

Used Mini Commander: I bought this off of Ebay used for a steal of a price. It formed a patina quite often on the serrations, but a little oil took care of that. This was actually a really cool knife but I just didn’t care for the blade shape (not EKI’s fault). Fit and finish on this knife was good, so I really have nothing bad to say about it. If I could get another Emerson like this Mini Commander but with a drop-point blade of some sort I would actually be pleased.

CQC 11: Here’s where I feel I was “burned”. I bought this knife new, can’t recall the online store where I purchased it, but I paid a premium as it was hard to find at the time. I’m a Marine, and in 07 was “issued” a Strider with which I was highly impressed. It was rough and ready for anything, and I never had problems for it….until some ass stole it out of my can. To replace this, I bought the CQC 11. The F&F on this model was atrocious: rough edges everywhere, G10 felt like an emery board, liner stuck out further than the scales. The blade was sharp, as always though. I kept this knife even with the very poor attention to detail because it felt great in my hand and was simply a beast. While on a demo range, I was opening the wooden demo trainer round crates by simply cutting the tin band seals. These are extremely small tin seals which my Endura and Strider had cut through like butter. The Cqc 11 did just fine for about 15 boxes until I began to notice chips along the edge of the blade, first small chips that could be buffed out, but then they developed into large, blade damaging gouges. Now I had a knife with poor finish, a black finish on the blade that was wearing off with little use, and 2 large gouges in the blade where the recurve was. I made a thread in this very forum section about my experiences where no one from EKI responded. When I called about my issue after that, I again spoke to a female who let me know this could be fixed at my expense. I QUICKLY sold this at a loss and swore off Emerson.

I don’t care if people think I’m “hating”, lying, or whatever. I have NOTHING to gain here, I don’t want a free knife from them, I don’t even want a discount or an apology. I just want to let people know my honest-to-God experience here.

Mr. Emerson,

I don’t hate you, I don’t want to see you or your company fail. I would love to see better business practices from you guys. I really want an A-100, like really bad, but my experiences in the past have turned me off and so I choose not to buy from you guys. When the tip of my Millie broke, I called Spyderco and it was fixed for free, I just paid $5 for the return shipping. That to me speaks volumes about a company.

Please just accept what I have to say here and don’t attempt to argue with me. You cant convince me that it happened any other way than I know it did. I spent over $600 on your products, so please don’t insult a man that was a customer, I wont insult you.

My Karambit review on youtube continues to garner hits that I make no money off of. It’s amateurish at best and I embarrass myself when I see it simply because I think my reviewing skills in 07 were pretty terrible. But, it still brings you business because people email me all the time asking about the Super Karambit. I tell them, the truth, that it’s a wicked knife, mine had an issue but that it may have been isolated, and that EKI’s customer service is lacking in some areas. They report back on like the Karambit if they bought one. I wont take this review down because of my bad experience with your company simply because the facts in the video are true and it really was a cool blade.

If you’d like to speak to me personally, email me at soldiersblood@msn.com and I can provide you a phone number. I don’t wish to fight or argue, Id rather have a beer.

Thanks for reading this,
Grant
 
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Dear Glockfire,

First, I would like to apologize for any wrong behavior on behalf of my staff or my company.

Your post was well written and obviously you put some thought into it.

I do need to state and reiterate in this post that what you described happened over 3 years ago and not 3 days ago as many who read your post will conclude, in spite of your clearly stated dates supplied.

It is unfortunate that you had such an experience with our product.

I must also state that for anyone who would have a "broken" knife, the fact is that they would still have to send it in at their expense so that we can evaluate it as to a manufacturing defect vs. abuse of the product. After that determination, shipping costs and other expenses are either waived or attached. We have learned not to blindly take someone's word, no matter who they are, over the phone or via email without out seeing the product in person. We have been hoodwinked a number of times and our policy is and was, "You'll have to send it in." Any rude behavior or disrespect on the part of any employee of Emerson Knives is unacceptable and would not be tolerated if I become aware of it. I apologize to you if that was the case.

But having said that, I guarantee that any Emerson owner will still be questioned by my staff about the circumstances regarding their knife and yes, still asked to send it in, for our evaluation. For example, we have had people demand a new knife over the phone, while refusing to send the knife in question, to us. We simply, will not do that.

I would also add that comparing Spyderco to us is basically apples and oranges. With all due respect to Spyderco, I have been to the factories in Asia as a guest of the Japanese cutlery industry specifically where they are made, and as such I know what the imported knives actually cost the various knife companies. Many are purchased for under $10.00 and almost all are under $20.00 boxed and shipped directly to the knife companies doorstep. So to replace a knife that might cost $15.00 or so, is merely a matter of walking into a stockroom and pulling one off the shelf.

In that case $20.00 including shipping is a cheap fix.

Owning and operating a manufacturing facility in the USA, paying America wages, taxes etc, etc, etc, is a whole other side of the coin.
The cost of 1 finished Emerson Knife blade, only the blade alone, is the same cost as 3 (high quality) completely finished, assembled and packaged knives from overseas.

I'm not complaining, as we will remain 100% Made in the US, but I hope you can see the obvious difference.
As it is now, I am sorry for your experience. Since over 3 years have now passed, the knives in question no longer exist so I can't address them or replace them. I do apologize if you were treated poorly or rudely and I hope that if you ever choose to do business with us again, that your experience would be better. Thank you for taking your time to express your opinions and experience.

My Best Regards,

Ernest R. Emerson
 
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Ernest,

thanks for the reply. I think I had you pegged wrong, you seem to be a pretty no-nonsense guy but honest at the same time. Thanks for taking the time out to address my problem, I consider my beef with EKI dropped.

Thanks,
Grant
 
Very classy response.

My experience has been a little different. I am a retired LEO. Every time I call, whoever she is, she needs a raise. Thanks for your time. I've never used your CS for repairs.

My first was a BM975S (Specwar). I used it so much-it's never failed. Had it sharpened and it's being saved for my sons.

Next in line is the Super Karambit (#58). Same problem-awesome knife. If I ever see you at a show, I'll have it on me.

I did buy the Kershaw-Emerson Auto Commander: I can't imagine the Protech-Emerson CQC7 being any better. S30V that doesn't chip. The firing mechanism and cross fire lock are very intuitive. True Genius. The DLC coating is tough. Ergonomics and blade shape-I've have carried it with me since I purchased it. To CS- Thanks for recommending it to me. I am a Scout Master. I will be taking it to a Boy Scouts Klondike (winter) camp out in the Uintas on February 25 for Wilderness Survival merit badge.
 
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Hi folks,

I just bought my first Emerson Commander today, and had noticed the same issue as the original poster on this thread I will be sending the knife in tomorrow, and will update every one with the progress. This knife is something else, and can not wait to get it back in my hands in shape for my personal defense.
 
Its really great to read about Mr. E and GlockFire's issue being laid to rest! You both are really stand up folks!

As for the off center blade, I'm not saying that a knife SHOULD come that way, but it IS a problem that affects many folders out there. EKI, SKI, Hinderer, etc... Now, you CAN send it in, and they SHOULD fix it for you. But if you want to take care of it yourself, and not wait for the turn around, try this. (For any brand).

"What you'll need to center your blade are your bit drivers, a folded piece of paper, and of course, the knife you want to fix.


First, tighten the pivot screw as much as you can.


Next, loosen the body screws. They don't need to be removed. Do this for both sides.



Next, push the blade to the OPPOSITE liner that it is offcenter to. On my knife, the blade is offcenter towards the locking liner, so I pushed the blade to the nonlocking side.


While pushing the blade to the other side, wedge your piece of paper to keep the blade against the opposite liner.



Now, tighten up your body screws. Remember not to over tighten your screws!



You can now remove the piece of paper you had wedged next to your blade. Check the blade centering.


If the blade is still offcenter, repeat steps 2 through 5. If the blade is where you want it, adjust your pivot screw to where you like.


Check your centering again, and if it's all good, then you're good to go!"

Quoted from AlexB
 
I will no longer be sending in my knife I fixed it myself with the paper method, and a quick breakin. I also will be sending my commander in for a framelock upgrade it will be sick!
 
My $0.02: Emerson customer service has been courteous and responsive with the only knife that I ever asked them about and sent in. Came back quickly and nicely fixed.
 
I was burned by Mr Emerson and his company. I blame him personaly for my addiction. I am now living my life one day at a time as an Emerson Knifeaholic.
His evil quality and innovation have lead me to my condition. I have allways loved good kit and quality edged tools but now thanks to Emerson I feel the shakes and chills of a crackhead when I feel the need for more Emerson knives. My pockets are worn and I feel naked without at least 3 Emerson knives weighing me down. Darn you Mr. Emerson no one ever felt this burning for a "cold steel"

I blame you for my Emerson addiction :D. Definitely have set a bad example for me.
 
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