My First Buck (the 112) reviewed.

Buck_110 said:
Granted, I do not think cutting vegetables, fruit, and paper is a good measure of a blade's abilities. Hemp rope is a good and real world measure of a blade's abilities.
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So he goes and buys 10 ft of hemp rope
Then what?
He cuts it?
In the review it says "it cut hemp rope ok"? :confused:
 
Probably, he says......"It cut hemp rope like a friggin' laser!!!"

That conveys cutting ability quite well and with some panache. Far superior to most of the overly technical and boring reviews that one all too often has to wade through.

:)
 
what 110 is refering to is testing done on edge durability
were rope is cut repetedlity tell it takes some amount of force to
make the next cut
it is some kind of industry standard (details escape me)
110 is no more rude then br42 is and jest speakes his mind
he does not tend to bate or encourage conflict as i used to
but his discusson can be blunt
were as i used to be all over any one i felt i had cause to be
here some times it is very boring with out folks expressing differing
thoughts or even taking up a point of view different jest to test
another thoughts ...
bg 42 is a old forum member under a different name that wants to
have the excitement of old days back it seems..
zyhano :most of us dont know some one is from a different place tell they say so
while i am not a world travler i know there are many times places were words have differing value ... bloody has very little meaning here
were as i found the F word to be highly over used to the point of disgusting
were i have talked with Europeans that use it ..
it dont seem to mean the same thing there
so every one take a breath and think a bit first
LX: your review is better now not what i would wright but improved
i would add the text on the blade was an error by a new person in the advertising dept
that thought the 112 was first made at the same time as the 110
here when a new one of these is found un used 96% would NOT use it as it is a collectible now,,,here if any use marks are seen on them it reduces the collector value
by over 30%
 
334dave said:
what 110 is refering to is testing done on edge durability
were rope is cut repetedlity tell it takes some amount of force to
make the next cut
it is some kind of industry standard (details escape me)
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I know what 110 is talking about
And it's called the a "Catra test"
http://www.catra.org/pages/products/kniveslevel1/slt.htm

So how does one without a CATRA machine assure that each cut/stroke is the same amout of force as the last stroke?
Or the same amount of force on the strokes for different knives tested?

I guess my point is====>
The help rope tests "by hand" are inaccurate scientifically and therefore of no use to potential knife consumers..IMHO
That is why I don't watch those Youtube videos with the dude in the hockey mask.....
 
That's a good point, Trent.

As you say, most of what we read on this forum and from other sources is highly subjective and unscientific......but--does it have value?

Sure, I think it does, at least if you read a lot and have the time to form a big picture from a lot of experiences of a lot of people.

It also helps if you have a good instinct for separating the !! from the opinions of guys who actually USE the knives.

It also helps if you have actually used knives a lot yourself.

It also helps if you know that even the most scientific tests are NOT perfect and sometimes quite flawed.

So, there we are. I see your point, but I would also add that, in the final analysis, it is the RECEIVER of the information that bears the most responsibility and is the most important.
 
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How many real world knives only cut manilla rope? My knives usually cut more paper, tape, carboard and fruit&veg than manilla rope.

In fact....I don't remember EVER cutting manilla rope.
 
Manilla rope really IS kind of old-fashioned.

Most people use handcuffs these days.

;)
 
LX_Emergency said:
How many real world knives only cut manilla rope? My knives usually cut more paper, tape, carboard and fruit&veg than manilla rope.
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ah LX you hit on a very good point
trent R. at the blade show in atlanta they have a free end manilla LINE
that the makers of knives take a swing at to cut it in two
swords and big a__ bowie's mostly, the idea to sever the free end
is a test of sharpness winner gets big cudos!

i have maintained for years thatt there is two kinds of sharp
AL Buck refered to these as a shaving edge or meat edge
some say push and draw
much depends on how one sharpens the edge.. fact from MY testing and use
this is also held up with testing by professional metallurgist
i posted the data and link here for you folks that like to check what i refer to

my use shows that if you put a meat edge on some thing it wont last as long for task such as cutting wood or line and same with shaveing edge
it wont work as well for long in slicing ..
most folks dont know how to either one by hand very well
and end up with some thing in between

the edge put on by most system sharpeners is mainly a draw edge
not that good for push cutting .
i have used a lansky system to restore edge shape
but always free hand the last of the edge
now i find sand paper on glass is good enough for most all my use
edit : to clear confusion old Stainless blades i like the 3 dot
of old carbon i like the damascuss for its toothyness
of the current steels folks can get,i like bucks s30v
 
jb4570 said:
Hi LX,

I just read your review and would like to thank you for posting it, I also liked your photo's.

One thing that is incorrect on your review and you most likely did not know, is that the bolsters on your 25th anniversary 112 are Nickel Silver, not Brass. I wanted you to be aware of this because factory 112's with Nickel Silver are more uncommon than the Brass version's.

The 112's were also not made in 1963 like the banner on the blade etch show's. However, I challenge you LX to try to find out the true date that the 112 was issued and post it here in your thread (guys don't give him the answer, let him have fun on the research for it).

Thank you LX
jb4570
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Well as LX did not want to play............I'll drop this info from Joe H.

Joe Houser said:
The 112 was introduced in 1972, May in fact. Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation out there in print on the 112. The first ones will have black micarta inlays, brass spring holder that is a separate piece, not part of the right hand side, and the blade will be marked BUCK, U.S.A. without a nail nick. The nick was added sometime in about 1980, 3 dot stamp, which is also about the time the finger grooved 112 was introduced. We are talking about 440c up to this point.
Then in 1981 we see the first of the hand radiused versions. 425mod was introduced here too.
The first nickle silver 112 shown in a Buck catalogue was 1987. Remember the misinformation i was talking about? In that Buck catalogue, the 112 NK has a blade etch that commemorates the 25th anniversary of the 112 Ranger. Hmmmm. lets do the math. Introduced in 1972, so in 1988, the date on the etch, that would make the knife 16 years old, not 25. This was before we had a company historian and someone in marketing must have thought the 112 came out with the 110. :rolleyes:
I hope this helps,
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I hope the new fellows enjoy Joe's info:thumbup:
jb4570
 
The 112 in finger grove and drop point fits and works very well... Better than any other knife I have used.
 
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