I just recieved my DLT exclusive PM2 20cv secondhand for OregonGray(pleasure doing business with you, BTW). I bought it because I have sharpened a few ZTs with this steel and was impressed with how it sharpened and wanted to put it to use. But I got to thinking. Do people actually use these knives, or should I just put it up and buy a production run in 20cv to use? Next on my list is M4 to try. Same rules apply. Should I go for a production run M4? I was considering cerakoting the M4 and using it. Is it sacrilege to use the rarities?
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Some people use them, some people only collect them. Personally I hope people use the crap out of them, but thats all up to the end user.
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(ab)use 'm!
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If you don't use steels like 20cv and m4 you are missing out.
After that it is scale color. I have maybe 7 pairs of shoes. But I have enough knives that I can match any pair of pants.
After that it is scale color. I have maybe 7 pairs of shoes. But I have enough knives that I can match any pair of pants.
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OP - I understand it. You just need to buy more so that you are not worried about using some of them because you can keep others pristine.
Thanks for the input. ATM, I have re-established my affinity for the PM2, which I have been carrying in S110V since springtime. Before that, I carried a BM mini-grip in 154 and a Native in s30v and both have been great knifes until someone decided they liked my Native 5 more than I did. So far, the S110V is kind of "meh" to me. Just keeps chipping, otherwise an excellent steel. And Ive read a lot of people raving about m390 and 20cv, so I was considering going back to the mini-grip with a 20cv blade, but when I saw the PM2 in 20cv, I had to have it. Thank you guys for getting the PM2 in 20cv out there.
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You won't get wealthy from a handful of scarce releases...but you will get quite a bit of joy from putting them in your pocket and letting them work. (Including the satisfaction of maintaining and sharpening your treasures.)
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I use all my sprint runs.
In fact it infuriates me when people don't use them and then sell them for way more then they paid them for. Or they buy them for more than they are worth and expect to sell them at no loss...
They are super steels for users to use them.
I know collectors like to collect but man, you guys would be fine with 440c and just collect the different color scales or what not. Leave the special steels for people who use them for a purpose.
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OP: It's your knife, your $, your choice.
Personally, I'm a collector. I own over 200 knives ranging in price from $10-$400 but most of them cost around $100-250. The quality of the steel varies widely from cheap to ultra premium; the cost of the knife generally varying directly w/the cost of the steel.
No one can use 200 knives. So, I obviously carry and use very few of them and most of them just sit in my safe. My choice is generally to carry and use knives that cost no more than $50-60, because it won't matter to me if I lose or ruin them.
There are lots a very nice knives in this price range in my collection and the quality of the steel is irrelevant because all I ever use an EDC for is to open an envelope, cut some packing tape or slice some meat or fruit. Any knife can do this.
As an example, I've been carrying a cheap $20 Byrd Cara Cara 2 w/8Cr13MoV steel all week. It's scary sharp and can do anything I need it to do just fine. My other typical carry knives are the Spyderco Tenacious or Efficient and the CRKT Terrestrial, which all use the same cheap steel as the Byrd. The nicest knife that I carry is an Artisan Cutlery Shark w/D2 steel that costs around $60.
There's no need or reason for me to carry anything more expensive w/better steel but what you choose to do depends solely on what matters most to YOU.
BTW, I just bought 2 Sprints off of the Exchange. A Spyderco Perrin PPT Black and a ZT0450 G10, which will both just sit in the safe.
Personally, I'm a collector. I own over 200 knives ranging in price from $10-$400 but most of them cost around $100-250. The quality of the steel varies widely from cheap to ultra premium; the cost of the knife generally varying directly w/the cost of the steel.
No one can use 200 knives. So, I obviously carry and use very few of them and most of them just sit in my safe. My choice is generally to carry and use knives that cost no more than $50-60, because it won't matter to me if I lose or ruin them.
There are lots a very nice knives in this price range in my collection and the quality of the steel is irrelevant because all I ever use an EDC for is to open an envelope, cut some packing tape or slice some meat or fruit. Any knife can do this.
As an example, I've been carrying a cheap $20 Byrd Cara Cara 2 w/8Cr13MoV steel all week. It's scary sharp and can do anything I need it to do just fine. My other typical carry knives are the Spyderco Tenacious or Efficient and the CRKT Terrestrial, which all use the same cheap steel as the Byrd. The nicest knife that I carry is an Artisan Cutlery Shark w/D2 steel that costs around $60.
There's no need or reason for me to carry anything more expensive w/better steel but what you choose to do depends solely on what matters most to YOU.
BTW, I just bought 2 Sprints off of the Exchange. A Spyderco Perrin PPT Black and a ZT0450 G10, which will both just sit in the safe.
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I've enjoyed using mine so far! Scales get dirty looking quick, but looks cool imo. I used to always have a hard time using sprints/LE knives for awhile. I don't know if i was worried about value or what.
But either way, i only buy what i know i really want to keep and don't have a problem using them now. Much happier and enjoyable with my knife hobby since
But either way, i only buy what i know i really want to keep and don't have a problem using them now. Much happier and enjoyable with my knife hobby since
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Hi Nate,
We build our knives to use. Much of what we do is in the function and performance of our knives, It's in the using of them that one gets to really appreciate all that we put into the designs and performance.
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We build our knives to use. Much of what we do is in the function and performance of our knives, It's in the using of them that one gets to really appreciate all that we put into the designs and performance.
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I like the sprints because it lets me try out new steels. Actually, all of the Spydercos I currently have are sprints/exclusives and I use all of them.
As for wanting to try m4, definitely do it. It’s really nice stuff as long as stain resistance isn’t a concern.
As for wanting to try m4, definitely do it. It’s really nice stuff as long as stain resistance isn’t a concern.
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Don't go destroy the knife, use it and become a part of the community that can give an honest opinion on how the knife performs because they actually use their knives. We've got enough flippers, non users, and assuming members already. What this place needs is more pictures of well used knives that have personality.
Do you really think I'm going to believe anything you say about a knife you have when you whip out a pic of that knife and it's flawless, without any personality on it ???? Now, take that same knife, post a pic and it has personality, now you've got my attention. Don't do Spyderco or any other knife maker an injustice by not using it.
Besides, every time someone buys a knife and throws it in a safe/drawer, a puppy whimpers. Do you want to live with that on your conscience??????
Do you really think I'm going to believe anything you say about a knife you have when you whip out a pic of that knife and it's flawless, without any personality on it ???? Now, take that same knife, post a pic and it has personality, now you've got my attention. Don't do Spyderco or any other knife maker an injustice by not using it.
Besides, every time someone buys a knife and throws it in a safe/drawer, a puppy whimpers. Do you want to live with that on your conscience??????
The man has spoken. I work in the oilfield, my knives get used to strip wire, cut tape/boxes/rope/cloth, cutting det cord, and a host of other things. Ive decided to do with the knife what it was designed for, and that is to cut things. Not sit in a box and look pretty. Im honored to have the opportunity to test the PM2 20CV in a real world environment and share my experience with others. Sal, thank you for taking the time to share your opinion, and I look forward to the day I can get a PM2 in M4 as well. Both will be well used and I look forward to being able to share my experiences with you guys.
Don't go destroy the knife, use it and become a part of the community that can give an honest opinion on how the knife performs because they actually use their knives. We've got enough flippers, non users, and assuming members already. What this place needs is more pictures of well used knives that have personality.
Do you really think I'm going to believe anything you say about a knife you have when you whip out a pic of that knife and it's flawless, without any personality on it ???? Now, take that same knife, post a pic and it has personality, now you've got my attention. Don't do Spyderco or any other knife maker an injustice by not using it.
Besides, every time someone buys a knife and throws it in a safe/drawer, a puppy whimpers. Do you want to live with that on your conscience??????
Very well put. You and Sal have helped me decide that this knife will be used as it was intended. Itll be put in rotation for use. Problem is, now you guys have convinced me to spend even more money to try out a PM2 in M4 too! And Ill have a handful of knives sitting on the counter that I have to choose from every morning when Im getting prepped for work!
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Fyi, in my experience 20cv/m390/cts-204p has not chipped on me yet(although it can). I had s110v and s30v chip alot more on me then 20cv, which is strange because its in the middle of those 2 when it comes to hardness. But i also stopped stripping 12 gauge copper wire by the time i started using 20cv, so that could be why.
My new personal golden rule is to keep the blade off of other metals, and it seems to stays sharp for a really long time with no damage to the edge.
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With all due respect Mr. Glesser, while you certainly make each knife w/a specific use and function in mind, you would make and sell far fewer knives, if you sold them ONLY to people who used them.
You also make and sell certain knives that, while they have a specific function and use in mind, are made more for their design than their function (the Ethnic Series and the skeletonized knives for example) and you would sell few (if any) of those knives if collectors like me (and others) didn't buy them.
You also would not make so many variations of popular models as Sprints and discontinue so many popular and well selling knives, if it didn't increase the demand to make other better and/or similar knives.
Fact is, if I just needed a knife to use for work (or whatever), I would only need to buy 1 or 2 of your (or any other maker's) knives at most, in my entire life, especially if it came w/a premium steel blade that would last virtually forever w/o need for resharpening.
Fact is, I have 3 Explorer Swiss Army knives, several Gerber muti-tools, a Kershaw Shallot and a Buck 110 that I have used for over 30 years that do pretty must everything I need to do w/a knife.
So, again, with all due respect, while I'm sure that you make each knife w/a specific function and use in mind, you would make and sell far fewer knives if they were not purchased by collectors.
BTW, I own over 50 Spyderco knives and there are at least 20 more "discontinued" models that I still want to buy and 2 or 3 upcoming models that I am looking forward to buying as well. So, while it's facile to say that you make your knives to be used, without collectors the volume of business you do would certainly be diminished.
With that also let me say that I continue to look forward to all of the new and various knives that you will continue to produce and hope to buy many more of them in the future.
Keep up the good work. Ciao!
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I partly agree. I aslo agree with Sal that spydercos (many of them) are highly functional cutting tools. But yes, if my sole purpose is to use them, a couple of them should satisfy that need for my lifetime I guess.