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My First Folder Design!
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Nice drawings, VERY nice drawings....
Since you got the talent, you should experiment with textures and reflection maps for the blade and handle. That will give you the virtual feel of how the knife is going to look.
See the microtechknives page > auto folders > combat talon and you will see that that image is not the real knife. I made that from scratch after a conversation and a faxed handdraw from Tony.
I really like the first design.... recurved and tanto hummm....
I recommend you to save some money and get a prototype by a custom maker....
regards,
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Joel Pirela
Graphic & Knife Designer
Since you got the talent, you should experiment with textures and reflection maps for the blade and handle. That will give you the virtual feel of how the knife is going to look.
See the microtechknives page > auto folders > combat talon and you will see that that image is not the real knife. I made that from scratch after a conversation and a faxed handdraw from Tony.
I really like the first design.... recurved and tanto hummm....
I recommend you to save some money and get a prototype by a custom maker....
regards,
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Joel Pirela
Graphic & Knife Designer
That's awesome man...I would recommend using the mono / frame / integral lock since I doubt you'll be able to "get a hold" of the Axis lock design. Maybe go with the Rollling Lock, I think REKAT will sell the rights to use it once or twice, and I think they aggressivly enforce their patent. The hole is nice, but what does Spyderco have to say? Thumbstuds may be the way to go, if Sal doesn't "give permission" on the hole. It'd probably be best to have this knife made by a custom maker, then also have them make a "prototype" to send to manufacturers for evaluation. Great work man.
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Joe I really like the first one. It looks to be a monster cutter.
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There's all the comments.
Mr. Mayo, I don't know about not being able to buidld that after only a few years. It depends on his experience with machining. I would have no mechanical problem making a handle like that if I had the time, but actually designing the contours to be comfortable is pretty much trial and error. I've never made a blade, so I'm itching to try. Anyway, that kind of rambled, but the basic point is that some people are really fast learners at machining.
Jackyl, Spyderco only owns the round hole, and this one is oblong, so that's not a problem. The rolling lock is much harder to design than the axis (unless you make a knife exactly like one of theirs, but change the blade geometry, or something).
Anyway, I'm glad to see so many people post on this thread. I only hope I'll get a response like this when I post my designs.
--JB
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Mr. Mayo, I don't know about not being able to buidld that after only a few years. It depends on his experience with machining. I would have no mechanical problem making a handle like that if I had the time, but actually designing the contours to be comfortable is pretty much trial and error. I've never made a blade, so I'm itching to try. Anyway, that kind of rambled, but the basic point is that some people are really fast learners at machining.
Jackyl, Spyderco only owns the round hole, and this one is oblong, so that's not a problem. The rolling lock is much harder to design than the axis (unless you make a knife exactly like one of theirs, but change the blade geometry, or something).
Anyway, I'm glad to see so many people post on this thread. I only hope I'll get a response like this when I post my designs.
--JB
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e_utopia, just for clarification, joe did mention it before in his "What's so Great about Damascus?" thread. I quote, "Wow, this is great- I was expecting to get flamed - thanks for all the information."
I never said your designs need a THUMBSTUD, I just didn't see much of an area where the thumb could facilitate one hand opening, on your first design.
I never said your designs need a THUMBSTUD, I just didn't see much of an area where the thumb could facilitate one hand opening, on your first design.
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Ahh... I completely misunderstood what you meant by 'rip you up.' Although with the way certain threads went, I could see why he might fear flaming for questioning such a popular material.
--JB
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joeG26er,
The first pics you posted are awesome! That knife just has that "special" look to it. I coud definately see this knife making it BIG in the production market.
If you don't think making these knives on your own is a reality, then I would have a prototype made for yourself and sell the design.
This knife looks to good to not be on the market.
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The first pics you posted are awesome! That knife just has that "special" look to it. I coud definately see this knife making it BIG in the production market.
If you don't think making these knives on your own is a reality, then I would have a prototype made for yourself and sell the design.
This knife looks to good to not be on the market.
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Louis Buccellato
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There is NOTHING annoying about this thread. It's really cool...don't sweat it.
You're not posting large numbers of bad bitmaps that take huge amounts of time to download and are an eyestrain to read once you do, with uninspired designs and false claims of manufacturer connections.
Did I miss anything?
Probably. Sheesh.
Now, back to THIS thread
, a far more enjoyable subject:
Like the others, I found that first picture "shockingly good". Seriously.
One thing you might want to consider if you want to advance in this (and you HAVE potential unlike a certain other
) is to get some martial arts training in bladecraft. That generally means an FMA (Filipino Martial Art) of some type. Or study some of what Keating is into...or whatever.
A lot of the better designers have strong MA experience. That includes Bill Bagwell, Ernie Mayer, Ernest Emerson, Kevin "Mad Dog" McClung(note below)" and a lot of others.
(Note on Mad Dog: controversy or not, love him or hate him, his grip designs are SUPERB, his "balance, handling and feel" issues are close to unmatched. IMHO.)
A true fighting knife, even a 4" class folder, needs to "flow" in your hand through a range of grip positions. Not just "tip forward or tip backward"; even in a "standard forward grip" the actual angle of the grip across the palm will shift between 90 degrees ("hammer grip") through as little as 20 to 30 degrees for the Saber. The grip needs to be shifted through those positions smoothly, effortlessly, with good control in as many as possible.
Grip design and "feel" is where the difference between a good knife and a great one comes through. MA training will help, as will handling some really nice pieces. Fondle a Mad Dog fighter at least once, especially the Panther. Try and do likewise with a Bill Bagwell hand-forged Bowie, or an Ernie Mayer fighter. The Hossom Milleniums have a good rep, to date I've not been fortunate enough to see one "in the flesh". Even if big pieces aren't going to be "your thing", handling these bad boys will teach you as much as several years of reading. The size and "agile feel" of big pieces that to the eye SHOULD feel "clunky" is the big eye-opener.
Jim
You're not posting large numbers of bad bitmaps that take huge amounts of time to download and are an eyestrain to read once you do, with uninspired designs and false claims of manufacturer connections.
Did I miss anything?
Now, back to THIS thread
Like the others, I found that first picture "shockingly good". Seriously.
One thing you might want to consider if you want to advance in this (and you HAVE potential unlike a certain other
A lot of the better designers have strong MA experience. That includes Bill Bagwell, Ernie Mayer, Ernest Emerson, Kevin "Mad Dog" McClung(note below)" and a lot of others.
(Note on Mad Dog: controversy or not, love him or hate him, his grip designs are SUPERB, his "balance, handling and feel" issues are close to unmatched. IMHO.)
A true fighting knife, even a 4" class folder, needs to "flow" in your hand through a range of grip positions. Not just "tip forward or tip backward"; even in a "standard forward grip" the actual angle of the grip across the palm will shift between 90 degrees ("hammer grip") through as little as 20 to 30 degrees for the Saber. The grip needs to be shifted through those positions smoothly, effortlessly, with good control in as many as possible.
Grip design and "feel" is where the difference between a good knife and a great one comes through. MA training will help, as will handling some really nice pieces. Fondle a Mad Dog fighter at least once, especially the Panther. Try and do likewise with a Bill Bagwell hand-forged Bowie, or an Ernie Mayer fighter. The Hossom Milleniums have a good rep, to date I've not been fortunate enough to see one "in the flesh". Even if big pieces aren't going to be "your thing", handling these bad boys will teach you as much as several years of reading. The size and "agile feel" of big pieces that to the eye SHOULD feel "clunky" is the big eye-opener.
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Joe,
Very interesting! Recurved tanto blades are very do-able. Check out the LiteWave on my website or if you are interested, Email me and I will be glad to send you pics of another tanto pointed recurve I made.
I realy like your drawing style. Have much CAD experience, I know that the computer doesn't exactly draw them by itself
I am slowly getting into folders and comming up with inovative designs is the greatest challenge for me.
Keep up the good work,
Neil
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Very interesting! Recurved tanto blades are very do-able. Check out the LiteWave on my website or if you are interested, Email me and I will be glad to send you pics of another tanto pointed recurve I made.
I realy like your drawing style. Have much CAD experience, I know that the computer doesn't exactly draw them by itself
I am slowly getting into folders and comming up with inovative designs is the greatest challenge for me.
Keep up the good work,
Neil
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Talonite knives in stock!!
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Meeting/5520/index.html
Very nice, Joe! I especially like the second set of designs, with how the handles are milled and all. I also think inlaying the axis bar with tritium would be really cool
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My only question is regarding all of the grind lines on the blades. Especially around the opening holes in the blades, are they really necessary?
Anyway, the designs certainly catch the eye and offer sound design features and functions while still maintaining aesthetics.
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You could put nacho cheese sauce on it...
My only question is regarding all of the grind lines on the blades. Especially around the opening holes in the blades, are they really necessary?
Anyway, the designs certainly catch the eye and offer sound design features and functions while still maintaining aesthetics.
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You could put nacho cheese sauce on it...
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Nice design ! Congratulations !
One quick question ,maybe I am wrong but it looks like youl have trouble fitting that much blade in that handle . Can you show us a pix with the blade closed and where the back strap will fit ?
Keep up the good work I admire a creative and original mind.
Aloha!!! Ken Onion
One quick question ,maybe I am wrong but it looks like youl have trouble fitting that much blade in that handle . Can you show us a pix with the blade closed and where the back strap will fit ?
Keep up the good work I admire a creative and original mind.
Aloha!!! Ken Onion
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Joe,
Keep drawing!!!! They all look fantastic!
Work on it until you get it the way you want it. If everything fits together well, you will have an awesome folder design.
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Keep drawing!!!! They all look fantastic!
Work on it until you get it the way you want it. If everything fits together well, you will have an awesome folder design.
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Barry
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BladeMan...having one made would interest me very much if we could come to some arrangement...let me know, I am open to any possiblities.
Ken Onion - Here ya go....
Open-
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This is probably very presumptuous of me but I figure it won't hurt to ask...
Any makers interested?
email me... jmdesignz@freewwweb.com Apologies in advance if this is too forward of me.
Thanks!
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Ken Onion - Here ya go....
Open-
Closed-
This is probably very presumptuous of me but I figure it won't hurt to ask...
Any makers interested?
email me... jmdesignz@freewwweb.com Apologies in advance if this is too forward of me.
Thanks!
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