My Japanese Sword

I think it is better that you discuss the swords and not the other members, of whom you know nothing. Lee Bray answered your questions. Read more carefully, and you may get it the second time around.
 
If you read more carefully, you may get that I am not the one
that started discussing/preaching to other members.

But that is over now.


What pokes my eyes is weather you think that it is appropriate
for anyone, especially a mod, to put religious symbols
as his avatar.
Not just that but as his signature too.

Is there a point that I can't see ?

You are obviously trying to send some message, right ?
 
Valar God said:
You could even fool someone that you are an expert of some kind.
Too bad you are nothing near.
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Are you?

So if someone outside Japan is making a katana, regardless of the quality,
he has to make it in the shape of the swords from his own country
in order to avoid being accused of forgery ??
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I don't think it's all that important where it's made, depending on what the buyer is looking for. The important thing is whether or not the maker/seller is making the claim that its the genuine article. Anyone even remotely familiar with Japanese katanas will know that an authentic one doesn't come cheap(under a few thousand).

So, in Turkey, will they make a jatagan and say it is a katana ?
Or they are not allowed to make anything similar to a katana ?
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Sure they can, it's just that if they claim it to be nihonto(which is a specific term used to refer to an authentic Japanese made katana), then it would be scamming/fake.

Being a REPLICA says nothing about the quality
unless you examine the QUALITY of the sword,
without going into weather it is genuine or not.
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Again, that depends on what you're looking for. I for one would not spend upwards of $5000 for a battle-ready sword with which to defend myself. If one is looking to collect as art, then authenticity is a very important matter.

I guess it is natural, for a well known (japanese) swordsmith like yourself
to have a thing against those filthy fakers, especially Chinese ones,
but my brain will never register those details.
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Again, if you're looking for a weapon, then Chinese made wouldn't bother you so much as functionality and price. But those who collect art want the genuine article, especially if they're going to pay the high price tag for it.

Valar God said:
What pokes my eyes is weather you think that it is appropriate
for anyone, especially a mod, to put religious symbols
as his avatar.
Not just that but as his signature too.
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I was wondering what that candle looking thing was:confused:.

Is there something inappropriate about displaying a religious symbol? Does that violate the forum rules or something?

If there was an official symbol for atheism, I'd display it on my avatar, sig, and title too. If that's a problem for you, feel free to fume behind your keyboard as I cook an egg on your head, sunny-side up:thumbup:.
 
Valar God said:
If you read more carefully, you may get that I am not the one
that started discussing/preaching to other members.

But that is over now.


What pokes my eyes is weather you think that it is appropriate
for anyone, especially a mod, to put religious symbols
as his avatar.
Not just that but as his signature too.

Is there a point that I can't see ?

You are obviously trying to send some message, right ?
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I see someone warming up the plank..............
 
Valar God - let's drop all this posturing, it's silly.

What is your opinion on this sword? To say I'm no expert either makes you the expert or something else.
If you think it is a replica, I say you're wrong.
China does make replica - here's one - http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=SH2444&name=Hanwei+Yasukuni+Captain's+Gunto
They are very different from the one the OP posted.
Fakes and replica are two different entity.

I already answered why I consider them not safe. Try reading instead of the blah, blah, blah.

If you think I have some crusade against katana made outside of Japan, again you're wrong. That's not what this thread is about.
 
I am not an expert nor I have been claiming to be one.

If because of nothing else, then because I don't speak/know japanese nor chinese language.

I haven't had a chance to hold a real nihonto in my hands
and when I wanted to by a Chinese replica I couldn't do so neither
so I have decided to make one myself.

First, I think that OP failed in providing pictures.
A few more clicks on the camera from different angles
without that flash that pretty much degrades the usability of the photo
would be a proper thing to do if you are asking someone for help.

I dare to say, in my humble opinion, that this is not a proper nihonto.

It still could be a Japanese katana but not a proper one.

But the sword is not claiming if it is a fake or replica.
It is the owner of the sword.
(actually the one that tries to sell it to someone)
And I didn't hear the seller (who in this case doesn't exist) claiming anything.


Still, my posts got nothing to do with the authenticity of the OP's sword.

I was bothered with your aggressive attitude.
As far as I can see you are a trader of, what you claim, authentic swords.
So, you got interest in discrediting any non-authentic sword or it's producer.
As far as I can see in your posts in other topics, that is what you are trying to do.
In a very aggressive manner.
You know that you are pretty close to being qualified as a shill ?
(no offense intended)

As far as my humble knowledge goes, and I am no expert,
there are genuine authentic Japanese swords that are of very crappy quality.

But when someone commented that "a good sword is a good sword"
your posts (which got nothing to do with the authenticity of the OP's sword either)
were in such manner which was not OK from my opinion and out of my personal reasons.

When I have asked you for the connection between the authenticity and quality
you have insulted me which, you may guess, I didn't like either.
I don't think you can find anything offensive in my post and questions.

And then, many posts (from other users too) explaining irrelevant things came up.
Some even agreed with me without knowing that.
If they read their posts again they will see it.

The point is, is that sword, being a replica, a good sword or not ?

Well, by not having it in hands and based on those pictures we can't know
but it is not impossible.

People make usable swords outside Japan and, as I said,
crappy swords came out of Japan too.
Sure, they have their value based on their authenticity but they are still low quality.

I am making a katana myself.
I am in no way feeling hurt by your saying about the quality of "fakes".
I don't intend to sell my katana but I AM making it as close to Japanese ones as I can.
So, is it a junk ?
By what you said, it is.


And back to the start.
Can a replica be a good sword ?

Sure, why not.
As people with more knowledge than me said:
"Modern steel has surpassed the quality of authentic Japanese katanas by far".

Again, the genuinity nor authenticity got nothing to do with the quality.

As I said (on which many laughed)
you have to examine the quality of the sword,
without going into weather it is genuine or not.
Perhaps some may mistaken the value for the quality, or something.

Cheers.
 
So if you're no expert, how can you claim that I am not?
I don't claim to be, nor, like you, did I ever claim to be one.

"As far as I can see you are a trader of, what you claim, authentic swords.
So, you got interest in discrediting any non-authentic sword or it's producer.
As far as I can see in your posts in other topics, that is what you are trying to do.
In a very aggressive manner.
You know that you are pretty close to being qualified as a shill ?"

Completely wrong. I am a collector, not a dealer.
I have sold a few Nihonto over the years but they were my old collection that I no longer wanted.
I have handled many Nihonto, owning over a dozen currently. I handle the largest collection of Hizen-to blades outside of Japan due entirely to the generosity of my mentor, Roger Robertshaw of Hizento.net. I've spent time in Japan and attend the DTI show when I can.
I also own a few Chinese katana, one American katana(Howard Clark) and several blades by other, non Japanese smiths. This is just to illustrate I am by no means a Japanese sword "snob"(as many like to call us).
I'd also love to see these other posts where I'm discrediting any "non-authentic sword or it's producer."

What is this "aggressive attitude" I'm supposed to have?
I'm sorry you don't like the way I speak/write. It's not intended to be aggressive, just factual and concise.

Now, back to the sword.
Your humble opinion is correct. It is not Nihonto.
You say it may still be a Japanese katana but not a proper one. What's that supposed to mean?
You take exception with me saying the blade is fake on the grounds that you think it is maybe a good sword but we can't tell from the pictures. Maybe you can't tell but several here would disagree.
Including me.
These fake swords are being sold for pennies at source. You say you are making a katana yourself. Great. How good a katana can you make for pennies? Don't forget to include your hourly rate on top of materials.

Replica and fake are very different.
I've shown you an example of a replica. It's $500 +.
That, I can believe, will have good steel and time spent on it by a trained smith and it could be a good sword.
Fakes aren't. They're made of unknown steel scraps by a labourer.
That is why they are dangerous.

All this seems to boil down to the fact that you don't like me and that you haven't seen enough real Japanese blades.
Feel free to doubt me but you shouldn't doubt Dr.Stein when he says it's a fake. Not replica, etc. etc. but fake.

Good luck with your katana. I never said that any swords made outside of Japan were junk so where you get the idea that I think yours will be junk, I have no idea.

Steven - I only meant no more play in this thread, not the site, but appreciated, thanks.

What part of the PRC? The good part, Hong Kong. ;)
 
I think this is the last post I write to you
because you seem to be very stubborn
with putting the words in my mouth
as well as skipping the important issues.

I haven't heard you apologizing for the insult or your attitude.

You have offered some pictures of your "saucy" work
and I asked you to give the links publicly but you gave nothing so far.

I will skip the nonsense which, again, is coming from you
and skip to the main issue.

Lee Bray said:
You take exception with me saying the blade is fake on the grounds that you think it is maybe a good sword
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Did I really say that ?
That it might be good and therefore it is not a fake ?
Did I really say that ?!?!?!?!

And when did we conclude it is a "fake" ??


Lee Bray said:
I've shown you an example of a replica. It's $500 +.
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SO HOW MUCH DOES THE OP'S SWORD COSTS ?!?!?!?

Wait, I know you got no answer to that.
Because no one is selling it, no one mentioned any prices
and no one mentioned weather it is genuine or not.

The sword itself told you.

Yes, you are talking to the picture of the sword.

Ladies and gentleman we got a psychic here !!!

I really don't think there is any need or purpose or reason
continuing the discussion with a master of demagogy and deceit.

I guess I was wrong, you are an expert after all.

Cheers.
 
Valar, you need to drop it...plain and simple.
The sword in the OP is typical of chinese made DISPLAY sword. Made more often than not of scrap low carbon steel. Definatly something made just to look at and not function in it's capacity as a sword.
 
This is generally what you can buy for $25(actually the price is $45 for the one in the infomercial):
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Granted, whacking the sword on the side isn't a good idea with any sword, but a safe one would bend rather than break.
 
Folks, it was only my intention here to get some idea about the quality of an old sword that I bought at a yard sale with the intention of repairing it and subjecting it to nothing more stressful than slicing an occasional piece of paper to show my friends how sharp it is. I never intended to take it to war or even cut water bottles with it. And it was most certainly NEVER my intention to stir up an argument between other forum members. My god, guys, it's just a hunk of steel with some wood wrapped around one end of it! I wouldn't get that upset if somebody claimed to have Jim Bowie's knife from the Vidalia Sandbar duel.

Anyhow, please accept my most sincere apologies for stirring up so much argument and ill feelings among the members. I'll try not to pick such a controversial subject for my next post.
 
No need for apologies from you.
You asked a simple question and received a simple answer which some didn't accept.
It should be we apologising to you, but, as a master of demogogy, my apology shouldn't count for much. ;)

Hope you enjoy the project of refitting it.
 
wow, interesting...

Thank you, Lee, for your input here. I find your information very informative.

Valor, put your ego aside and you could learn a lot here.
 
Arfropubes said:
Lee, absolute HK is the only good part of china and the reason you can have a good collection of well anything . Interesting read indeed . Seems someone didn't get enough love as a child or something .


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=31.182555,121.542334
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Lol ... thats what I thought , but it was a brilliant display of pig-headedness!! Geez... how hard is it to grasp the difference between replica and fake?
 
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