My letter to TOPS knives

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This is a copy of a letter I just wrote to TOPS knives about the purchase of a Screaming Eagle I bought from a dealer off of Ebay.

I'm a newbie here and usually I just let stuff go but I felt I needed to let TOPS know I wasn't going to be buying any more of their products.

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To whom it may concern,

I wanted to write you and let you know about my first purchase of a TOPS knife.

I bought a TOPS Camo Screaming Eagle Tanto Paracord Wrapped knife. It has the plain edge and a suggested retail on your website of $299 with the camo paint.

I admittedly bought the knife from a good vendor on Ebay. He carries TOPS knives almost exclusively. I also did not spend anywhere near the $299 retail price. I used "Buy it Now" and paid only $99 plus $13 shipping. I thought it was a fantastic price.

The knife arrived as described a week later in the original bubble wrap with some sort of inspection sticker on the outside. Inside were the knife, sheath, Lansky catalog, and a "Certificate of Origin" from TOPS. The serial number is 005 and it has a production date of 2006. I fully believe this is a genuine TOPS knife from your company.

I am honestly completely disappointed with my purchase. How you can justify a retail of 300 is beyond me. Even at the greatly reduced price of $100 I feel completely taken. Let me explain why.

1. The knife is not sharp. The edge on the tanto tip is good but the rest is dull. I wouldn't drag my finger on it but you can't even shave with it. My Gerber LMF II will strip the hair right off my arm with the factory edge. You can't say that this knife has that kind of edge for hard bushcraft work as the knife is clearly designed as a fighter.

2. The sharpened top section is even more dull. It's edge is also inconsistent. I clearly see grind marks and a wavy surface.

3. The sheath is not up to the asking price of the knife. The kydex liner is a nice touch but the rest of it is closer to the quality of a Cold Steel knife with a retail of $40.

4. The balance is terrible. It's a nose heavy pig. I knew it was going to be heavy being .250 thick but the light handle really threw me off.

The fit and finish of the knife is fine. The paracord wrap is tight and well executed. The paint is very thick and seems durable. These high points however can not cover up the fact that I could have bought a Cold Steel GI Tanto and had 90% the knife for $25.

I bought a new Gerber LMF II about a week before I bought the SE. I have to tell you the fit, finish, edge, ergos, and sheath are so far superior it's not even fair to compare. I paid $75 for the Gerber and it has a retail of $140.00 by the way the Gerber is made in the USA just like you. I do understand that the CS Tanto is a Chinese product and an American made knife will command more.

I am bummed and I'm writing to tell you this because I was really excited to have nabbed this knife at such a good deal. I was fully prepared to buy one of your large Steel Eagles or the Armageddon as they are really fantastic looking and I just can't afford a Busse.

I feel the retailer did his job well enough and he wasn't selling anything more than the product you offer. It would be unfair to a small businessman to return a product though no fault of his. I will just keep the knife and call it a lesson learned. I'll probably sell it for my cost to someone of a less discerning nature.

I'm hoping you might tell me that this was such an early production knife that the shortcomings have been updated. You can't really sell knives like this on just looks alone can you?

I just wanted you to know as a company that I won't be buying any more TOPS knives. They seem (as far as my experience goes) little more than a stylized and heavily marketed, pointy, slightly dull paperweight.
 
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sorry, i was mean spirited.

good luck, and welcome to BF.
 
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Can you post a pic of the knife in question? The reason I as is because there are a lot of TOPS knockoffs out there right now and it might be possible you bought a fake. The price is almost too good to be true so you may want to send a pic to TOPS too and verify if it actually is their product. If it is I would bet the TOPS folks will help you out.
 
Sorry to hear that but if you judge a knife that much by its factry edge (even expensive knives) your future as a knifenut will be full of disappointment.

Again sorry to hear of your bad experience, I've been down that road myself.
 
as a reference, i bought a tops condor alert (1095 9" micarta scales). i paid around $150 plus shipping. it wasn't the sharpest, but wasn't super dull. i have found better knives out there for less, but i can't say that i was duped (gifted to a pig hunting coworker, and he was stoked!:thumbup:).

to be fair, i've also found better knives for more too!:D

.......and worse knives for less and more!:eek:

TOPS fullfills a niche. said niche is probably not for you.


ps-the condor alert was also top heavy, prybar like. cut paper, but no shave. nylon sheath so-so. exactly what i thought i'd get. i've since moved on to other brands/ makers. but like i said, my friend was stoked!:thumbup:
 
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Can you post a pic of the knife in question? The reason I as is because there are a lot of TOPS knockoffs out there right now and it might be possible you bought a fake. The price is almost too good to be true so you may want to send a pic to TOPS too and verify if it actually is their product. If it is I would bet the TOPS folks will help you out.

I will when I get then chance. The guy I bought it from has near perfect feedback (2 negs in over 1000) so I felt pretty safe. Thanks for the feedback. The price was however 50% less than the next Screaming Eagle on Ebay. I wondered if even the retailer had priced the knife too low by accident.
 
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I will when I get then chance. The guy I bought it from has near perfect feedback (2 negs in over 1000) so I felt pretty safe. Thanks for the feedback. The price was however 50% less than the next Screaming Eagle on Ebay. I wondered if even the retailer had priced the knife too low by accident.

street prices are almost always lower then retail prices. except for certain brands. i believe TOPS are in the former category.
 
I'll update when TOPS gets back to me. Their knives are serial numbered so if it turns out that this knife is a counterfit or a factory blem I'll be the first to eat my words.
 
The few TOPS knives I have are all very well made FB's.

I don't think they're great value at the MSRP, but I think that holds true for most knives.

BTW, all were sharp (a couple even shaving sharp) right out of their factory packages.
 
another thing, In my experience knives around this price point rarely shave with a factory edge. (sadly)

I have to disagree, there is no correlation between factory sharpness and price (I am talking about reputable brands, not hardware store knives).
 
i really dont think its fair to judge a whole company by just one of their products. lemons exsist in imported 5 dollar knifes all the way up to mid tech and even custom on occasion.

MSRP is always higher then street price, obviously. why not ask rowen manufacturing, who very likely made that blade for TOPS, what the cost per bundle of screaming eagles would cost. ive seen them post on here.

i own a large fixed blade from tops, and a cold steel GI tanto, believe me, it makes a good beater, but its not 90% of a TOPS knife.

i guess ive just been lucky, all the many many knives ive bought over the years all had great fit and finish, razor sharpness or higher, no problems. but i do hope all of this is resolved to your satisfaction dirtbiker.
 
Sorry you found out the hard way amigo.

I've maintained for some time (to ill effect from some TOPS fans) that TOPS is merely an overpriced, overadvertised, TacticLOL knife company that charges obscene amounts of money for a mediocre knife steel, capitalizing mainly on name-dropping and movie successes. I will never buy a TOPS knife, as in my experience, their customer service is awful, their materials are mediocre at best, and they charge outlandish amounts of money for said materials. It is my belief that their company is driven on media-marketing hype, and very little substance. I know some people will disagree with me, but I feel as though you've experienced firsthand what I'm talking about. For the price you paid, you could get an ESEE and receive 3 times the knife in return. It saddens me that companies like this are still around, but such, I suppose, are the innate hazards of capitalism. :jerkit:

Hope everything works out for you and they treat you better than they've treated me in the past.
 
TOPS has asked that I send the knife to them. If they verify it's a genuine TOPS knife they will remedy any problems that are fixible. I'll let you know how this goes.
 
Sorry to hear about the knife.
Hi guys, I have been checking out the forums for a while and this is my second post. I have recieved a lot of got info from you guy and hope to give some of you some as well.
I would check into seeing if it was a fake. I for one have used a half dozen different models of there knives when I was in the military and since I've been out. I love there knives and never have had any problems with them.No one pays retail for a knife and most companies have a high MRSP price. I never had one fail me and the fit and finish are awsome. I meet Mike Fuller of TOPs a few time and is a great guy. If you did get a true TOPs that was not up to par Iam sure he will make things right. If you buy a TOPs from a dealer you can find the for a reasonable price, just like ESSE knives.
 
I have owned several Tops knives and intend to own more in the future. I have found their knives top notch for their utilitarian purposes. Maybe the Ebay seller gave you such a great deal because your knife sat somewhere on display, or because it was a lemon to begin with. Sometimes when it is too good to be true, it is.
 
a 1095 knife with a paracord handle sounds like a lot less than $100 to me.

Here are the specs from the top's website for the Screaming Eagle.

O/A Length: 11 1/2"
Lower Cutting Edge: 5 5/8"
Upper Cutting Edge: 2 1/2"
Thickness: 1/4"
Weight: 20oz
Blade Steel: 154cm
Blade Color: Black Traction Coating
Handle Material: Nylon Paracord Wrap
Sheath: Combat Ballistic Nylon
Mfg. Handcrafted in the USA
Heat Treating by: Paul Bos

http://www.topsknives.com/product_info.php?products_id=119

So which is it 1095 or 154cm?
 
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