My London Research Trip

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Earlier this month I returned from long planned research trip to London England. If one embarks on such a journey with the idea of researching swords in general they will go entirely insane within the first few hours and probably accomplish very little in the way of in-depth study due to the overwhelming and endless numbers of items to choose from in a place like London. For years I have been dabbling with a style of sword that has always fascinated me with its unmatched elegance and lethality, that sword is the rapier. But its most endearing quality for me is the lack of popularity that other swords enjoy. I cannot bring myself to work in areas that are trendy or too common place, and have always enjoyed the challenge of taking the road less traveled. Rapiers are unique in both appearance and the way in which they were used, and so few replicas I have seen seem to be able to capture this. It appeared to me that this blade was not only very difficult to make properly (the ones I have made so far bears this out entirely), but very little study of the original blades has been done to help capture the essence of their function.

Too many times I have bit my tongue when handing one of my rapier blades to people with sport fencing experience, who immediately doubted my skill while pointing out that it didn’t feel at all like their epee or foil, all the while thinking to myself “because it isn’t an epee or foil- it’s a rapier!” Often the commonly available replicas I have handled where either way too heavy (simple and quick manufacturing methods) or way too light so as to approximate fencing blades.

So knowing a blade making spathaphile such as myself would go entirely insane trying to see all the swords I would like in London, I bit the bullet, restrained myself and focused almost exclusively on rapiers. Of course if there happened to be a beautiful 13th century blade setting right next the rapiers it couldn’t hurt to measure it as well. ;) With the help of friends in the conservation field and months of preplanning I was able to locate the better rapier treasure troves and provide enough credentials from my profession to gain some behind the scenes access to these fascinating blades.

After many hours in the Royal Collection at Windsor Castle, The British Museum, the Victoria & Albert Museum, and the Wallace Collection, I am now home and have the daunting task of analyzing, organizing and assembling all the information gathered on many dozens of rapiers. I will be a few months at it, but my appreciation for these magnificent swords has already multiplied many times. The preliminary graphs, based upon the cross section numbers, shows an incredibly complex and intentional blade design that most have indeed been missing in modern times. While the hilts often have been reworked from the originals, what remains is still the artistic equivalent of any decorative metalwork I have seen from any culture, and there is much of it that I will spend the rest of my life developing the skills to reproduce.

The down side is while I would love to share some of the hundreds of digital images I have, most collections have restrictions on how you use photos taken at the collections for your private use, and in order not to jeopardize my standing with them for future research I prefer not to test any of the bounds of some of the agreements I signed. You can rest assured, however, that any of the rapiers I make using the information gathered will be always available for your viewing.

As mentioned- man cannot live on bread alone, so in my studies I also managed to study blades from the 13th century and some Roman swords to add to my understanding of how the manufacturing of the raw materials and the final blade evolved over time. Perhaps I should return to London one day just to be a tourist since my trip was rather single minded, and I barely had time to sleep much as less sight see.
 
kevin....i really have no knowledge of swords in general and beyond none in regards to rapiers....reading a post like this makes me wanna go out and learn more about them...you have a real passion for swords and i look forward to hearing more about your trip and seeing what you make as a result down the road.....ryan
 
Sounds like a very productive and well planned trip Kevin.
It's unfortunate that we can't see the pictures, but I understand
that you have to keep the agreements that give you this valuable
access. I hope that you will be able to share some of the quantitative
results with us after you get them compiled.
 
Kevin

It sounds like you had a fantastic trip. The presentation that you gave at the ABS hammer in at Troy Ohio on the Quillon Dagger showed your passion in this area and it must have been quite exciting to go back in time to see actual pieces. I look forward to seeing pieces that you create with your newly aquired knowledge.

As far as sleep goes, can you sleep after returning home, or do you just dream of rapiers? :)

Take care and thanks for sharing.
Brian
 
So Kevin, do those agreements specify that sharing of these photos with friends (not on the Internet of course, and possibly under the influence of a fine single-malt Scotch...) is forbidden? I might just have to "happen through" Michigan at some point.... :D

I'm always glad to hear of the scientific rigor you put into your projects. Most people would take a few cursory measurements, and every attempt to handle the pieces in question to "simply get the feel" for what they're working on. The fact that you're doing a comparative analysis of varying geometry is (to me anyways) a thrilling concept. I'd really love to see somebody do a set of 3-dimensional scans (you know, with one of those slick laser scanners) and produce a truly complete dataset that would capture ALL of the dimensions of historical pieces. I'd bet that you could really find some interesting information from that. It would also allow for the use of rapid-prototyping gear to get some reasonable "life size replicas" for extended study once you got home...How long until your next trip? When do I need the 3-d scanner ready by? :)

As always, I look forward to the fruits of your labor Kevin....

-d
 
Kevin congratulations on being able to study those. I have always liked Rapiers above all of the others. Brings back times of the 16th and 17th centuries. Never had a desire to make one, still having all the trouble I can handle just trying to make knives. :) That had be a real thrill getting to go into the back rooms and get up close and personal with them.
 
Kevin, glad to hear you had a good time in London. Did Jim show you round the Royal Collection at Windsow.

Mick.
 
I always love the artistry of rapiers, but when I think of Britain I think of the Small Sword and Donald McBane. It is amazing to think of guys who would make their living by pugilistic dueling.

I always chuckle when I see the duel in "The Princess Bride" and listen to the opponents dropping the names of the old masters. I am so delighted that not one person in a thousand knows that the names are real.
 
So Kevin, do those agreements specify that sharing of these photos with friends (not on the Internet of course, and possibly under the influence of a fine single-malt Scotch...) is forbidden? I might just have to "happen through" Michigan at some point.... :D

I'm always glad to hear of the scientific rigor you put into your projects. Most people would take a few cursory measurements, and every attempt to handle the pieces in question to "simply get the feel" for what they're working on. The fact that you're doing a comparative analysis of varying geometry is (to me anyways) a thrilling concept. I'd really love to see somebody do a set of 3-dimensional scans (you know, with one of those slick laser scanners) and produce a truly complete dataset that would capture ALL of the dimensions of historical pieces. I'd bet that you could really find some interesting information from that. It would also allow for the use of rapid-prototyping gear to get some reasonable "life size replicas" for extended study once you got home...How long until your next trip? When do I need the 3-d scanner ready by? :)

As always, I look forward to the fruits of your labor Kevin....

-d

A good single malt is an excellent lubricant to loosen my grip on my data!:D When I document old swords I have a pre-printed sheet that is around 5 feet in length with a grid work and all the necessary specs and data listed to be filled in as I go. Thus cross-sectional measurements are taken at 1" intervals over the entire length of the blade, (I had to shop around to find high quality non-metal calipers). Then the blade is photographed over the same background so that I can use software to later apply and actual image of the blade to the spec sheet with cross section shapes and dimensions. Many other observations are recorded and when you have only a certain amount of time to gather the information, you then need to assemble all the data at a later time in order for it to make more sense. Some of my colleagues that do the same research take a more qualitative approach and have luxury of time handling and examining the objects thoroughly, I take the quantitative path and gather as much data as possible in order to have overwhelming numbers to assemble later, then if I want to really work with a blade of those dimensions later I can make it and do whatever I please to learn from it.

I would love to have a 3-D scanner to gather information but even then it would be at the discretion of the handling restrictions of the particular institution charged with preserving the objects. I have done my share of research in private collections in the past but there you also need to respect the investment of the collector.
 
Kevin, glad to hear you had a good time in London. Did Jim show you round the Royal Collection at Windsow.

Mick.

Jim joined me on my visit to Windsor and introduced me to Simon Metcalf (the current amourer) who is one of the nicest gentlemen I have ever met, a really good guy. I really enjoyed spending time with them and their hospitality was second to none. The displays at Windsor Castle are a must see for anybody interested in old arms. Fantastic.
 
Sounds like you had a good time, but why is it that you set loose in those collections with a set of calipers, etc. sounds like something akin to Hugh Hefner being set loose with a camcorder on sorority row at Ole Miss?:D
 
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Kevin, congratulations on a great trip. Glad you got to indulge a passion. I know nothing really about rapiers. Would it be possible to say use photo shop a create reproduction of a good representation. Nothing that would actually id the originals but still display a design or 2 of what a you consider to be true representations of good rapiers? I looked at some internet pictures and have to wonder. Thanks
 
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That is often what I end up doing, i.e. Photoshopping a representative image over top of the original due to a combination of my photography skills (or lack thereof), lighting conditions on sight and having to piece several images together taken down the length of a 38"+ blade. Once this is accomplished I can share my own images that result, as it is really no different than a sketch that I made on the computer.
 
Careful Kevin, you may inspire a whole drove of new rapier fans. Then you will be part of the trendy sword crowd. Seriously though, with as little as I know about the subject, the few times you have written things about real period rapiers has certainly peeked my interest. I hope you can put together some sort of composite from the data. I would love to understand these swords better.
 
I'm jealous!

I have been fighting with rapier simulants for 22 years, and have made all of my own sword furniture for the fighting, I have studied DeGrassi, Silver, Saviolo, etc. but I haven't been able to afford the pilgrimage to London. My most immediate question is simply: where did you most often find the balance point in relation to the front of the sweeps of the handgaurd? There seems to be some disagreement as to whether CapoFerro's point of ideal balance is a handsbreadth in front of the quillion cross, or a handsbredth in front of the bars of the gaurd, also whether swords were actually made to that ideal.

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I would be very interested in whatever you determine from your research. I've been an Oakshotte and HR Davidson fan for many years. I enjoy the heavier blade & hilt weapons from Rome forward. I am partial to the Cinquedea and other European swords. I also enjoy many of the pole arms, my favorite being the Bat-Winged Runka. Please do share what you can!

Balin
 
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