My machete snapped

It is true that chopping through dense media is not the intended function of the tool, but sometimes you have to make due with what you have. Of course, any time you use a tool for anything other than what it is intended for you risk damage (and maybe injury in this case).

OK,
I did not get a text lashing.:) The OP said this was a felled log over a 4x4 path. It appears to me that any 4x4 could get over that. I think the OP really wanted to use his machete, so he rationalized that he "had to" cut and remove the log and it was more like that "he wanted to" use the machete to do that. I am not different in that aspect. I could have easily tried that same thing many years ago. Then my dad would have called me a dingbat, and told me how dangerous steel snapping like that could have really hurt me. Dad never had a problem hurting my feelings, but never wanted me to get hurt. As do I for the OP.

That machete could have taken that log if:
The op had lots of time
He took out small v chunks as he went.
He used the whole blade rotating swings back and forth to not dull one area making it necessary to swing harder and risk breakage.
He was able to rotate the log to work on multiple sides of the log.

If the OP was trapped by that log somehow, I would have more sympathy for him, but a 4x4 safe passage is really not high on my list of emergencies. Put your 4x4 in granny gear, and go over the log. My hopes are that no one that enjoys Wilderness ever gets injured severely by his knife or tools trying to emulate bravado coming out from any forum let alone our beloved blade forums.
 
Cutting with a machete is all technique. I took it slow and easy. Its hard to see in the pics but its a wide wedge I removed. I don't swing for all I've got, I don't even break a sweat like I do when using an axe. I've done this many times before as well. I know for a fact that a tree much larger can be cut down with ease, I've done myself, slowly and with less strain than an axe.
 
Condor is the ONLY company with good stainless machetes. Their 420hc is tough as nails. I have broken a 12in Ontario an replaced it with a 14in Condor, beat it much harder and the Condor laughs it off. I also have a 18in Condor Jungle Saber that has been turned into a Froe and is still kicking. I dare you to find a more abusive use than that for a machete.

Have you tried Linders? Their's are also 420HC.

Doc
 
just a simple question why would someone want a stainless machete to begin with
 
CJ is right? A stainless steel machete with a thin blade is not well suited for chopping things anything wider as your finger. 420 HC steel is not something i would recommend for a tool that has to suffer impacts. 1075 or 1085 or S7 is much more suited for chopping tools. The benefits of a stainless chopper do not outweigh the possiblity of breakage. A little FeO will not hurt the plants, nor your food... The benefit of carbon steel is that in most cases it will bend instead of breaking all of a sudden.
Don't worry it's just a learning curve,i hope you will get a new machete and if you need to cut a thicker brand try chopping it sideways,slicing of smaller chips instead of straight on chopping. Chopping equals carbon steel, or tool steel, not cutlery grade stainless steel. If you really worry about rust prevention, soak the blade in mineral oil. You can still use it to cook and it will not rust away before your eyes. Or put on a nice patina from the start with hot vinegar or the likes.It will look cooler then red oxidation and it will resist new oxidation.
rule of thumb:

cutters and slicers: high end stainless steel (and some carbon as well).
Cutting choppers ( good impact resistant stainless steel if blade lenght is not longer then 5 inch).
Choppers (carbon or tool steel, but no stainless steel)

I concur with your guidance to the original poster. Stainless isn't the most ideal class of materials for an implement intended to be bashed vigorously against hard materials. You are very lucky the broken shard of blade didn't fly back into you, as can easily happen.

I would specifically argue for a softer blade and edge relative to your garden variety pocket knife. Microscopic cracks can and do form in hard use implements, the softer, springy temper tends to limit the depth and length of such microscopic fractures.

Because stainless steels tend to be fairly brittle by comparison to even a high carbon steel, even drawing down the hardness to below 50 HRC won't necessarily provide the same toughness and resilience that a medium or high carbon steel can (1060, 1070, 1085, etc.) will at around 53-55 Rockwell (which is a bit harder than I'd prefer for these blades).

The stains and minor scratches that a machete will tend to accrue are merely cosmetic. Hard use knives aren't really meant to be pretty. When heavily used, a machete will strip off any protective coatings or oxides on at least half the blade. Cleaned off after use, the blade will develop a dark oxide patina. With a light coat of oil applied, it will almost certainly not rust unless the sheath absorbs the oil from the surface and moisture condenses on the blade.

There are a number of truly excellent Central and South American style machetes, African style Pangas, Indonesian Gloloks, Bolos, Filipino Barongs and virtually all of the better made examples are of medium to high carbon steel with a nice springy temper. Hacking down a small diameter soft wood like pine won't phase a well made machete, even if it's probably the wrong implement for anything heavier than brush.

Check the online vendors such as Valiant if you favor the Eastern styles, Tramontina, Condor, Ontario and even Cold Steel will cover the styles found in the Americas and Africa.

Good luck and stay safe -

Happy 4th of July.
 
A machete with a long thin blade is for grass and small limbs. The shorter versions with thicker blades are for limbs and small trees. I have an Ontario machete that I have used for 20 years a tree like that should be no problem for any good machete.
Ditto on the glad you didnt get hurt.
 
I've used and abused machetes for 30 years on all size and type trees and brush.I would never expect a good one to break unless bent near 90 degrees.Even then a properly tempered machete would just take a set.

I know all about the right tool for the right job and all that.Ideally just use a chain saw on anything of size, but in my experience it's hard to break a good machete without really trying to.
 
I've used and abused machetes for 30 years on all size and type trees and brush.I would never expect a good one to break unless bent near 90 degrees.Even then a properly tempered machete would just take a set.

I know all about the right tool for the right job and all that.Ideally just use a chain saw on anything of size, but in my experience it's hard to break a good machete without really trying to.

I agree:thumbup::thumbup:
 
Depending on what Condor says I think ill go with a carbon steel model next time...probably go with the Golock
 
I haven't had any problems with my ESEE/condor machete and have flung it through thicker than I should stuff often enough. It is a carbon model, but Jeff Randall provided some encouraging words about the 420HC condor's also. Hey, stuff like this happens and machetes are known as using/abusing tools. Thats why they are cheap. Try getting the carbon latin machete from condor next time. It will fit the same sheath and you can by the latin machete sheathless to save a few bucks.
 
There are many statements in this thread that I consider erroneous, but I don't have the time right now to respond to all of them. Before I begin I should point out to those that aren't already aware that in spite of my avatar and my fondness for Condor I do NOT represent them in any way.

CJ is right? A stainless steel machete with a thin blade is not well suited for chopping things anything wider as your finger. 420 HC steel is not something i would recommend for a tool that has to suffer impacts.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words...

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My 420HC Condors have taken HARD beatings, including batoning large pieces of fatwood in winter. I don't think that it's the fault of the 420HC here, but rather a case of bad heat treatment and/or an odd strike. ;)

Never seen a Condor down here.
The reason ?
Take a guess.

My guess is because Condor is Imacasa's North American and European line. I'm sure you've seen plenty of Imacasas down there, but that's just a guess. :D
 
Please feel free to dog pile on me if I am out of line here, but.......

A machete is not an axe! It is not a saw. A machete can chop through herbaceous plant material as in the jungle, but not to chop coniferous trees that are a much tougher wood to cut through. You are trying to chop a log with a machete, that is wrong. If any company warranties that, then they are going above and beyond the call of customer service.

Thank God you were not hurt. That tip could have flown up and stuck in your noodle. God was looking out for you, and is giving you a redo. Do it right next time, use an axe or a saw, and use your tools for what they are intended.

There is a reason Paul Bunyan did not carry a machete in the timberline, Babe his ox would have made fun of him. Seriously, I am glad you were not hurt, but I think you need an internet spanking for your lack of judgement.


Sure A MACHETE SHOULD NEVER EVER SNAP LIKE THAT. It should spring and bend a hundred ways to #### before breaking. IT IS NOT A LIGHT USE TOOL AND SHOULD BE MUCH TOUGHER. Ok I hope that clarifies things. THE MACHETE WAS UNSAFE AND DEFECTIVE.
 
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I don't own a Condor but I have used a lot of other brands of machetes on tough woods and I know that that blade should not have reacted that way unless it was defective or possibly because it was previously fractured at that point. Spring tempered steel including stainless should not be easily broken like that and any good machete is capable of much more than just cutting grass. Several people on this forum use their Condor machetes hard and like the brand, you probably just got a defective one so take it back to where you got it if they do returns or call Condor and have them send you another one.
 
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