My Spyderco Tenacious just keeps on going...

[Tajbral]

View attachment 2693175View attachment 2693176
I’ve gifted my son many Spyderco knives..mostly in the Salt series. When he was a lineman apprentice, The foreman were always asking if he had a knife on hand, so I got him a serrated Tenacious. It worked well for a time but on a couple occasions the knife unlocked under heavy cutting while wearing thick FR gloves. It never happened to him but to his coworkers! We figured they were torquing the knife (releasing the liner lock)cutting the heavy maternal. I ended up with it (glove box duty now) and it’s been fine. His main work knives currently are Serrated Shaman to go along with Milwaukee Hawkbill. He doesn’t hand his knives out anymore!

I bet you that's exactly how those guys closed the Tenacious while cutting. I really love the Tenacious as more of an edc capable of a very wide range of cutting tasks, but if I knew I was going to be doing heavy cutting like that every day, I would probably go with a Cold Steel Voyager, Recon 1 or even the AD-10. Sounds like the serrations are useful though - how does your son like the Shaman? I'm curious as to how it is performing with such tasks... interesting.

 

[Tajbral]

No need for that. Just don't twist things into something they're not. Painting with a broad brush requires context.

Absolutely right... I have to agree with John on the context in terms of how the knife was being used when dealing in terms of absolute and universal truths about liner locks... they certainly have their place in my edc rotation and they're convenient, easy to open and close one-handed, which is ideal for most edc tasks.

 

[Tajbral]

They do. There are 4" and 3" versions of some of their more popular knives such as Voyagers and Hold Outs.

Really, they have 3" versions of the Voyager now? Oh, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the ones made in AUS-8 steel. I really like AUS-10A considerably more, as I find that AUS-8 rusts easier. That said, it's still very much worth it to purchase the 3" versions in AUS-8 steel while they're still around. Hopefully, they upgrade to AUS-10A soon.

 

[Frisco Felon]

Really, they have 3" versions of the Voyager now? Oh, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the ones made in AUS-8 steel. I really like AUS-10A considerably more, as I find that AUS-8 rusts easier. That said, it's still very much worth it to purchase the 3" versions in AUS-8 steel while they're still around. Hopefully, they upgrade to AUS-10A soon.

The 3" versions have been discontinued for years but can be found from time to time.

 

[jbmonkey]

Really, they have 3" versions of the Voyager now? Oh, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the ones made in AUS-8 steel. I really like AUS-10A considerably more, as I find that AUS-8 rusts easier. That said, it's still very much worth it to purchase the 3" versions in AUS-8 steel while they're still around. Hopefully, they upgrade to AUS-10A soon.

the cold steel bush ranger tri-ad lock folder can be found for a penny under $60.00, with s35vn steel, scuplted g10 scales, 3.5" blade and a quality design by Mike Wallace. it's a steal right now

I prefer it to the smaller voyager.

 

[Frisco Felon]

Absolutely right... I have to agree with John on the context in terms of how the knife was being used when dealing in terms of absolute and universal truths about liner locks... they certainly have their place in my edc rotation and they're convenient, easy to open and close one-handed, which is ideal for most edc tasks.

I wasn't speaking absolute truths. I simply mentioned I prefer a lock like Cold Steel's Triad over liner locks based on my personal experience. It was in no way meant to be an indictment of Spyderco or liner locks in general. How this conclusion was drawn is beyond me. Obviously my intent was not clearly conveyed. I like Buck 110's too. Does that make me some kind of heretic?

• a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

 

[Frisco Felon]

 

[Tajbral]

I wasn't speaking absolute truths. I simply mentioned I prefer a lock like Cold Steel's Triad over liner locks based on my personal experience. It was in no way meant to be an indictment of Spyderco or liner locks in general. How this conclusion was drawn is beyond me. Obviously my intent was not clearly conveyed. I like Buck 110's too. Does that make me some kind of heretic?

• a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.

Well, this is not a slur on your manhood. I'm sorry if you took it that way... I was merely agreeing with John that I wouldn't write off liner locks because of one bad experience. They have their place. If you don't like them because of personal preference, that's your business, but liner locks are not generally to blame for one bad experience with a knife with a liner lock. There could be many reasons for the lock failure you experienced that have nothing to do with the liner lock system of securing the blade in place during use.

 

[J. Doyle]

I wasn't speaking absolute truths. I simply mentioned I prefer a lock like Cold Steel's Triad over liner locks based on my personal experience. It was in no way meant to be an indictment of Spyderco or liner locks in general. How this conclusion was drawn is beyond me.

Here, let me refresh your memory with your own words:

Back in the day I used to see the Tenacious at WallyWorld in the mid $30 range. I asked an associate to open the glass case and let me inspect one. I actually liked the way it felt in hand but changed my mind when I saw the liner lock. Had a bad experience with one once and vowed never again.

So you found the knife, liked it, but passed when you saw a liner lock. The liner lock was the sole reason you gave for passing because you "had a bad experience" (which was TOTALLY your fault) with one. You even went so far as to "vow never again" to own another.

What other way can that be taken, besides an indictment against all liner locks? Gee....I wonder how one could draw that conclusion?

Also became spoiled with Cold Steel's Triad Lock!

This statement may be true now, but it had nothing to do with your original "vow".

How about you vow to stop twisting and prying with folding knives and then blaming the lock?

 

[jbmonkey]

so the fella doesn't care for a liner lock. so what. its no bother. let it go y'all.

 

[J. Doyle]

so the fella doesn't care for a liner lock. so what. its no bother. let it go y'all.

You're probably correct on the letting it go.

But for clarity, it isn't the not liking liner locks I took issue with. It's the casting a wide net, labeling them all bad/unsafe/whatever because he did something dumb. And then saying he didn't do that. Thats what I took issue with.

But it's not worth it to continue so I'll bow out at this point.

 

[David Mary]

I've used my Resilience quite hard, grabbing low hanging branches in one hand and cutting through them by pulling the blade straight through, often involving some torque. Not only has the blade never closed on me, but I always check for blade play after a yardwork session like this, or even after every particularly hard cut that I think "okay now that one is going to finally loosen the pivot". Still hasn't happened. Lock up and blade remain as solid as ever.

 

[Maximumbob54]

The 3" versions have been discontinued for years but can be found from time to time.

Wouldn't that be really close enough to any of the three blade shapes offered in the Mini Recon line? They are all AUS-10A and the same GFN as the Voyager series. I would carry mine more often in the rotation but that clip is terrible.

 

[jbmonkey]

You're probably correct on the letting it go.

But for clarity, it isn't the not liking liner locks I took issue with. It's the casting a wide net, labeling them all bad/unsafe/whatever because he did something dumb. And then saying he didn't do that. Thats what I took issue with.

But it's not worth it to continue so I'll bow out at this point.

I've never had a problem with a proper made frame or liner lock. I don't find them to be weak or bad, unless they're built incorrectly. I just found everyone made their points, and it wasn't worth more the back and forth without ending up in the mud eventually, is all.

 

[Wowbagger]

Design matters.

YUUUUUUP !
For one thing that looooong edge (relative to handle length) goes way back there with the rear angled plunge grind. THAT's what I'm talking about !
Though I am GLAD Spyderco makes knives with the fifty percent finger choils, or what ever they are called, I've never been drawn to them.

 

[Wowbagger]

He doesn’t lend his knives out anymore!

I've about stopped offering to sharpen a coworker's knife for them for similar reasons.
Even my boss showed up at work with his fingers all cut up after I sharpened his little Stockman . Polished edges / hair whittling
Mybad
That term is not any where near my generation (not remotely aware of where it came from ) . . . seemed to work here though.

Maybe a dull knife IS safer ; than one of my edges in the wrong hands

 

[Wowbagger]

Absolutely right... I have to agree with John on the context in terms of how the knife was being used when dealing in terms of absolute and universal truths about liner locks... they certainly have their place in my edc rotation and they're convenient, easy to open and close one-handed, which is ideal for most edc tasks.

Just don't twist things into something

Pun intended ?
nice one
Lets say bottom of the line knife makers should not make liner locks, I almost got cut trying to UNLOCK one of those using a pair of pliers to open a stuck lock. The liner material was less than a millimeter thick / we are talking real tosh here.

As far as good liner locks I have one word to say : Gayle Bradley.
ok two words.
I have three of those , one ground custom knife thin at spine and edge
SO HAPPY with it !
It is my normal back up comment about the stock / unmodified scale cut out to say : go watch Michael Christy's observations and sharpening of that knife.
Here's a clue : he unlocks the knife with his index finger. Totally easy and second nature no mods needed.
That knife should have come with a DVD of his video.

 

[Wowbagger]

My buddy, PM me your address and I will send you a box of em! I got fruit to share!

That is so VERY NICE ! THANK YOU !
. . . but no . . .

again, sorry, sorry :
can not pm, no membership at this time/device not secure for payment (I fear)
just dropped in to suggest easy way to open SRK in other thread
stumbling around in here like a deadbeat since
I suck