My Strider lock-fix

Kinda sucks that you need to do that (or anything at all) to fix a $400 folder, doncha think?
Agree
My thought exactly. Striders SHOULD cost ≤$200 and even at that price I think its unacceptable not to have a tight lockup.
Not sure what they should cost, but the lock geometry should not be that hard to figure out. I mean if one angle doean't work, then try something else and keep going until you find what does work.

Well, Strider will put in a larger stop-pin, free of charge, but you have the turn-around time with the service dept.
I have owned many Striders in four folder models, and have NOT experienced any lockup problems.
It's not a good fix, sticking a cap on the Ti side of the stop pin is kind of a ghetto type fix, especially now that the knives all went up in price and still have this issue.
 
My curiosity as to why there were so many complaints on the infamous lock rock - among others, but most absurd is a knife at this price range, requiring a breaking in - lead me to purchased my Monkeyedge's exclusive, latest generation SnG w/PD-1.

I don't know about other's SnG, but on mine new designed PD-1's, it developed problem after 3 weeks of breaking in - just normal open/close without aggressive flicks to loosen up the sluggish pivot - that was after I made a proper tool to loosen up the pivot without undue damage:

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Lock up percentage increased everyday until lock rock was developed. "MY" root cause was the rough finish on the blade tang's locking interface, acting much like a file, which accelerated wear on the soft Ti lock bar with each open/close.

I am fairly capable as to the mechanics of making simple fixes, along with avoiding on warranty work that shouldn't have required in the first place and besides expensive shipping cost for warranty, also knowing warranty fix is not a permanent fix.

Among a host of other modes to make the SnG uniquely my own. I took care of the terrible interface tang finish, heat treated the Ti lock bar interface to resist wear and made two piece Ti interlocking stop pin for a permanent fix on a knife that should not have left the maker the way it was:

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Strider's fix - normally will replace the original stop pin with a step stop pin, the larger side engage the Ti to alter the angle of the blade tang(slight boomerang like curve)to restore the earlier engagement of the Ti lock bar and the G-10(presentation) side will not be be touching the handle slab. The lopsided replacement lock pin is clearly visible on repaired knives.

Both shrink tubing and "O" type fix are temporary at best - although shrink tubing is better because it is harder after heat exposure and yields less. Heat shrink tubing been extensively tried by "Blacksheep" over at the "other" more exclusive hardcore forum. Since stop pin is a secondary lock, with the Ti lock bar being the other locking mechanism combined to form Strider's double lock design - solid locking is made, requiring to have metal to metal contacts.
 
Machined parts often tells the tale and resulted evidence can be interesting.

Original stop pin as shown next to my home made, roughed out two piece Ti interlocking stop pin:

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Original's rather soft, removed steel stop pin, shown having multiple distortion, predominately along in the center portion, most likely to compensate for the less than perfect "press fit" dimension of the receiving hole - than it was "Press fit" into blade hole. As experience with most mass production product, lacking good quality controls, this company has experienced it fair shares of cracked blade due to improper relationship of "fit" between stop pin and receiving harden blade hole.
 
Very impressive fix! I have owned striders that were perfect and ones that had some serious issues. I can understand the frustration. I was a little let down when my PD1 SNG developed a massively tight lock stick with gentle opening. That however, was caused by the aftermarket carbidizing done to the lock bar . The rough blade tang took some material off and caused the lockup to become so bad.

Machined parts often tells the tale and resulted evidence can be interesting.

Original stop pin as shown next to my home made, roughed out two piece Ti interlocking stop pin:

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Original's rather soft, removed steel stop pin, shown having multiple distortion, predominately along in the center portion, most likely to compensate for the less than perfect "press fit" dimension of the receiving hole - than it was "Press fit" into blade hole. As experience with most mass production product, lacking good quality controls, this company has experienced it fair shares of cracked blade due to improper relationship of "fit" between stop pin and receiving harden blade hole.
 
Very impressive fix! I have owned striders that were perfect and ones that had some serious issues. I can understand the frustration. I was a little let down when my PD1 SNG developed a massively tight lock stick with gentle opening. That however, was caused by the aftermarket carbidizing done to the lock bar . The rough blade tang took some material off and caused the lockup to become so bad.

Carbidizing is an establish proven method, when done properly, procedure will improve mating interface functionality. Example such as the Hinderer in your avator - Hinderer carbidized their Ti lock face and appeared to have very few complaints. Hinderers in my possession have perfect and stay nearly at the same lock ups %.

When it is done improperly, along without properly addressing existing poor surface conditions, as well as follow up procedure post carbidizing - lock stick, gritty feel, premature wear and such will be the results.
 
Wave mod? Didn't look like you did anything to it. Email Josh Lee and ask, I bet they will fix ya right up.

Double check my pics above; it's there... ;):D:thumbup:

A better pic of it prior to the tubing being added plus two of the other knives I've waved:

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At this point I'm not worried about sending it in; I may email them in future if it becomes an issue again.
 
I just received an email asking where to purchase the tubes. Here is my response:

Automotive store. Electrical section where connectors and such are found. It comes in various diameters and thicknesses. Get the thinnest. Get a few diameters and use the snuggest fitting. Trim it so it's about a millimetre below the top. Heat it enough that you don't fry the tube and don't damage the blade. Works great. Open blade gently before plastic hardens so it "seats" to the contour of the frame/g10. Leave open and let cool.
 
I have to say a big thank you to White Mule for posting this. I know it isn't something you should have to do but one of the good brothers here on the forums sold me a knife saying the lock up was a little late with a phot of it about 70 percent. Upon arrival a noticed it was a solid 100 percent. Anyway ... life goes on. I am in Canada and sending the knife back for warranty is a little expensive with our dollar right now and a little bit of a pain so this fix did it. I am now at about 25 percent and feeling better about things. Ghetto fix or not I like it! Thanks again.
 
I just received an email asking where to purchase the tubes. Here is my response:

Automotive store. Electrical section where connectors and such are found. It comes in various diameters and thicknesses. Get the thinnest. Get a few diameters and use the snuggest fitting. Trim it so it's about a millimetre below the top. Heat it enough that you don't fry the tube and don't damage the blade. Works great. Open blade gently before plastic hardens so it "seats" to the contour of the frame/g10. Leave open and let cool.

Just a quick question, what did you heat the shrink tube with? I waved a flame about an inch or so below and managed to make it work without any issues, actually I took the knife apart so I didn't damage the handle. Do you need that much heat or can you use like a blow dryer for example?
 
I used my jet lighter. Blue flame type lighter which was good at controlling the heat and direction. Seating the shrink wrap is important while it's still hot. Gently move blade into lock position. I am still very happy with this fix. If you don't seat the wrap, hard opening will make it difficult to unlock and close. If I said that right...
 
I used my jet lighter. Blue flame type lighter which was good at controlling the heat and direction. Seating the shrink wrap is important while it's still hot. Gently move blade into lock position. I am still very happy with this fix. If you don't seat the wrap, hard opening will make it difficult to unlock and close. If I said that right...

Great thanks again, I made the mistake of not letting it seat the first time now I think I have it right.
 
Just a follow-up report. This mod/fix is rock solid. I am happy with the results and no issues have surfaced to date.
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Still no issues, however I thought I'd drop a line to Strider Knives. I sent a message via their website 3 weeks ago. Still waiting for a response.


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My curiosity as to why there were so many complaints on the infamous lock rock - among others, but most absurd is a knife at this price range, requiring a breaking in - lead me to purchased my Monkeyedge's exclusive, latest generation SnG w/PD-1.

I don't know about other's SnG, but on mine new designed PD-1's, it developed problem after 3 weeks of breaking in - just normal open/close without aggressive flicks to loosen up the sluggish pivot - that was after I made a proper tool to loosen up the pivot without undue damage:

DSCN2299_zpsecs6zz0t.jpg


Lock up percentage increased everyday until lock rock was developed. "MY" root cause was the rough finish on the blade tang's locking interface, acting much like a file, which accelerated wear on the soft Ti lock bar with each open/close.

I am fairly capable as to the mechanics of making simple fixes, along with avoiding on warranty work that shouldn't have required in the first place and besides expensive shipping cost for warranty, also knowing warranty fix is not a permanent fix.

Among a host of other modes to make the SnG uniquely my own. I took care of the terrible interface tang finish, heat treated the Ti lock bar interface to resist wear and made two piece Ti interlocking stop pin for a permanent fix on a knife that should not have left the maker the way it was:

DSCN2259_zpsg6xwcdwn.jpg


DSCN2260_zpspcs7mrna.jpg


DSCN2266_zpsi4rtzhmu.jpg


DSCN2265_zpst1pkzxyj.jpg


DSCN2264_zpskyqk5o0p.jpg


DSCN2261_zpsnk4zwlnu.jpg


***

Strider's fix - normally will replace the original stop pin with a step stop pin, the larger side engage the Ti to alter the angle of the blade tang(slight boomerang like curve)to restore the earlier engagement of the Ti lock bar and the G-10(presentation) side will not be be touching the handle slab. The lopsided replacement lock pin is clearly visible on repaired knives.

Both shrink tubing and "O" type fix are temporary at best - although shrink tubing is better because it is harder after heat exposure and yields less. Heat shrink tubing been extensively tried by "Blacksheep" over at the "other" more exclusive hardcore forum. Since stop pin is a secondary lock, with the Ti lock bar being the other locking mechanism combined to form Strider's double lock design - solid locking is made, requiring to have metal to metal contacts.

Can you make me a pair of stop pins?


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Well this will be my recap. I bought a piece of round stock metal and made the correct fix once and for all. I used a drill and a file and made a ghetto lathe. The blade is untouched. Lock-up is solid. Rock is gone. Acceptable lock engagement. Sending it back was not an option as some of the stuff I read was pretty scary. Anyway pride of ownership has its rewards. A job well done!

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