My tin chirra is here!

mtngunr said:
I know they do not generally do more than a Buddhist egg breaking ceremony for shop blessings but was unaware the kamis themselves did not do a little ceremony themselves involving a finger prick anymore prior to shipment....learn something new every day...
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Shop puja is different and they still do a blood blessing during that.
 
Shows how dated my info is....had thought the old shop did the blood but new one kept it bloodless by breaking an egg or something...seemslike that is way it was, in any case....my memory is not what it used to be, but then again, it never was, as we used to say about the Army.
 
There was enough bloodshed after the earthquake. Glad they got the arun up without having to shed any more. Nothing wrong with a dry puja this time:thumbup: Rock on fellas!
 
Yes....and i see eggs(maybe) and fruits(for sure) being smashed in sacrifice....my assumption has always been the more Hindu the more blood, and the more Buddhist the less blood, and also assumption the second and newer shop closer to owner's home would trend more to bloodless for shop blessing......

Personally i see the idea of a blood blessings from a fingerprick prior to shipment, along with a prayer, to be as much a blood-brother thing for new owner, but an egg sacrificed that i not be a chicken will work with no problem....
 
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Philllll, since you conveniently provided the link, I went back through the photos. Have you noticed the boxes of khuks? You might find this a bit far-fetched, but they appear to have went through an earthquake! They're all dirty, dusty, and just plain skuzzy. Glad to see there was quite a bit of WIP salvaged to give them a quicker start-up and return to production.
 
mtngunr said:
....my assumption has always been the more Hindu the more blood, and the more Buddhist the less blood,..
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I would generalize more along the line the longer back in time the more blood. Today in Indian Hinduism there isn't any blood sacrifices.
But in Nepal it seems the older traditions from the same religion survived longer and thus still have things like buffalo sacrifices and such things. Recently Nepal announced to abolish that practice.
What is interesting Tibetan Buddhism even today has rituals and demons which were popular when Buddhism split of from Hinduism but Hinduism itself stopped doing these things long time ago. The Dalai Lama being pragmatic aknowledges that different things are for different ages and also tends towards a more modern approach today.
In a way it's like with the Amish they went to America but are closer today to the Europeans from 200 years ago than today's European are to their ancestors.
I heard American English is closer to historical English than what they speak in England today.
Some parts of some directions of todays Buddhism are in my opinion closer to ancient Hinduism than modern Hinduism is close to its old practises.
Thus it's hard to make general assumptions.
Of course I might be totally wrong since I didn't study the topic and can just speak from what I've seen in Buddhist and Hindu temples and functions over the years.
The biggest thing I ever "sacrificed" in a Hindu ceremony was a coconut and then we even ate it afterwards.
 
I was also speaking of local interpretations and admixtures of older folk things thrown in, but did a fair amount of study of Buddhism as a younger guy, and as with Chinese Chan and Japanese Zen, quite respective of all life.....but worldwide, no matter the religion, as it spreads, local adaptations and even corruptions take place until in some places, very little remains of the original.....even where it stays relatively sound, human nature takes its toll and there are going to be forever the need for renewal and need for purifying what has become corrupt....

But i had noticed in the old writings of Bill, the differences between shop 1 and shop 2 with shop 1 more a thing with workers and environs seemingly more Hindu and also a really nice assortment of critters dedicated and then the feast, while shop 2 more seeming the Buddhist side of things.....or might be simply rural vs more cosmopolitan so to speak, but quite a bit of difference...

As a student of religion, i found it quite fascinating....and this is not only an eastern thing as witness how in some places western religions out in the hinterlands of far continents have gone so "local" as to hardly show even a sign of the western religion among all the local festivities, and one would be hard pressed to tell it from an eastern local festival......and so it will go until everything is rolled up like a carpet....
 
Bookie said:
Glad to see there was quite a bit of WIP salvaged to give them a quicker start-up and return to production.
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I didn't notice that before, but I think you might be right. Perhaps that also has something to do with why they each took turns banging on some steel during the puja.
 
mtngunr said:
I was also speaking of local interpretations and admixtures of older folk things thrown in, but did a fair amount of study of Buddhism as a younger guy, and as with Chinese Chan and Japanese Zen, quite respective of all life.....but worldwide, no matter the religion, as it spreads, local adaptations and even corruptions take place until in some places, very little remains of the original.....even where it stays relatively sound, human nature takes its toll and there are going to be forever the need for renewal and need for purifying what has become corrupt....

But i had noticed in the old writings of Bill, the differences between shop 1 and shop 2 with shop 1 more a thing with workers and environs seemingly more Hindu and also a really nice assortment of critters dedicated and then the feast, while shop 2 more seeming the Buddhist side of things.....or might be simply rural vs more cosmopolitan so to speak, but quite a bit of difference...

As a student of religion, i found it quite fascinating....and this is not only an eastern thing as witness how in some places western religions out in the hinterlands of far continents have gone so "local" as to hardly show even a sign of the western religion among all the local festivities, and one would be hard pressed to tell it from an eastern local festival......and so it will go until everything is rolled up like a carpet....
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Yes. Super interesting. Thank you.

I guess early Roman Christians, beheading pagans, also never imagined that at some point Christianity would be the biggest organisation performing remnants of Germanic pagan rituals.
At least I don't know of of another sizable organization which does all the easter bunny and Christmas tree stuff.
But then of course there are some kinds of Christianity who only do what's really in the bible and skip all the "newly" added rituals.

Back to Hinduism. In South India I saw more parallels to Nepal than in North India which is geographically closer.
Take for example our house protecting demon mask which sometimes appears in our forum for purchase. I haven't seen these in years in Northern India but in the South every village has a few houses with a grinning Bairav mask.
 
Wow!
Thank you all for the info on the blood ritual, i had it all wrong. I am pleased to know we are now brothers! Ironically, as i went out to take back several feet of my road from the edge of the woods, some thorns got my hand, so just for good measure i did bleed on my new Kuk [emoji23]

As promised, here are some pictures
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The second pic is a pair of vines, went thru 60% of the second on, in one wack. Im used to a machette, so i think my swing is not yet full when i make contact due to the curve. But im getting more comfortable by the minute.

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purdy nyfe. interesting wood grain pattern.

i think in the old days people had to occasionally kill one of their animals to survive. this usually involved using a sharp pointy thing and lots of blood. they probably figured that they might as well make it a big deal, have a celebration and dedicate the beast's death to the 'gods'. the poor slob who made the mess eventually became a 'priest' and of course took his share of the meat in payment. most religious sacrifices involved eating the meat afterwards. or distributing it to the poor. even the aztec's ritually ate their sacrifices. we still in our 'civilized' christianity, tho we hide the actual unceremonial killing of the animals we eat, have a ritual called 'communion' where we drink the blood and eat the flesh of our sacrificed god. and pay the 'priest' to conduct the ceremony and clean up afterwards. it makes us feel bettter.
 
Yeah, Kronck. I did that with my late Momma-in -law. Wound up with 25 to life. But since the Judge & jury both knew her, too, I got off on good conduct......must say that handle does look substantial and gives the appearance of a heavy-duty working khuk!
 
i found MILs to be a bit too grizzly and stringy myself. the ex-wives were tenderer. i never got caught because they never found the bodies. the moat monster and the dire wolves took care of the leftovers. anyway, i go out hunting with the local judge and police. this is of course england, so they are unarmed, but as werewolves they do not find that stricture limiting.

p.s.-i'll upgrade my khuk comment to gorgeous too. it looks better every time you look at it. i'm amazed at how close umi came to that brass key while cutting that branch, if'n he'd a hit it, he may have damaged the key!
 
Yup, he's good. Claims he's working on his swing but I think we been bamboozeled.
 
kronckew said:
i'm amazed at how close umi came to that brass key while cutting that branch, if'n he'd a hit it, he may have damaged the key!
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Key was probably put there afterward just for giving a "size" perspective.
Or is this humor? Sorry if I missed it.
 
Snow, I think kronckew was being facetious, as well as Bawanna in his following comment :)

ndog, that's the second time I've seen your trifecta pic, and I'm still asking myself, how on earth did you both get that picture and keep all your fingers?!? I can't so much as rest my finger on the blade without drawing blood, I can only imagine if I rested blade on finger...
 
Ndog's barefoot about 97%, when his feet get sore he walks on his hands. Tough fingers me thinks.
 
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