Mystery Steel ID?

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At some point most of us will pick up or inherit a bar of mystery steel from another knifemaker. I'll outline my process for figuring out what it is, and then ask for some help on a particular bar.

First I spark test it, just because it gives me a referece point.
Second I do 1500 x 10 minute soak, quench in 10 second oil.
If that doesn't work, I do 1550 x 10, then oil.
If that doesn't work, I do 1950 x 30 then plate quench.

I also include a scrap test piece at each step, so I can break it and check the grain.

This testing procedure works reasonably well, especially if you have a hardness tester. Once you get an as quenched of 60 or greater, you can walk then tempering temperature up to get the hardness to 59 or so.

This brings me to my present bar of mystery steel. It came from the now deceased knife maker unmarked with a knife scribed on the bar. Unfortunately I didn't have access to my RC tester for this one. It doesn't throw much spark, and the sparks aren't "fuzzy" like a straight carbon steel. I sparked it next to CM154 and it was somewhat similar. Tried to flash rust it, and only got a few specks.

Both oil quenches resulted in insufficient hardness with brittleness and fine grain.
Air quench resulted in better hardness. A test piece broke cleanly. I sharpened the test piece and was able to get it to hold an edge under chopping conditions, but the edge was admittedly thick prior to sharpening. As far as polishing, this steel in this state was a major PITA to polish. Seemed very abrasion resistant. No alloy banding or orange peel, etc.

The most interesting part of this particular one: the steel lost its magnetism after HT/plate quench. Prior to HT, the steel stuck to my magnet with good strength. After HT, it barely sticks at all.

Based on these observations and tests, what do you think I have?
 
Gee thanks, Stacy :) I had that part figured out. Any input on the magnetism thing? That part was unexpected, at least to me.
 
Alot of the 400 series SS will become a lot less magnetic after H/T,but that doesn't sound like what you have.Wrap a coupon in foil and run it at 1880 for about 30 min and then check the Rc and see what you have.
Being from an older maker I'm bettin on 440-C,but that's just a WAG.
Stan
 
Here's an update, a month and a half later.
Once I got home I tested my coupon, only got 44 RC. I'm thinking that if this were 440C and I did it 30 minutes at 1950 (too much time, too much heat), with no cryo, that would leave alot of retained austentite, would it not? Isn't austentite non-magnetic?

I finally got another batch of stainless blades ready for HT. I put the blade from this thread in at 1850 for 30 minutes and got 61 out of the quench. It's in the dry ice now, report in the morning. Maybe my 440C too much RA theory wasn't too far off. Either way, at 61 I'm in the ballpark for a usable knife now
 
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