N00b question: Why do all of Ed Fowler's knives look EXACTLY the same?

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As the title says: This may be a n00b question, but...why do all of Ed Fowler's knives look EXACTLY the same?

I'm a regular Blade magazine reader, and this is something I've wondered for a while. Okay, I get that certain knifemakers have a certain "signature", something that unmistakeably identifies a knife as theirs. I get that some knifemakers have a certain style, something not so identifiable, but fans can generally tell that maker "X" made a particular knife. I get that some makers are proficient at one particular style, and stick to making that kind of knife. That being said, every one of Ed Fowler's knives that I have ever seen (and I quantify that statement by reiterating that I am a relative newcomer to the world of knives) all seem to be the exact same knife: Sheephorn handle, single brass guard with wheat (or something) engraved on it, slight drop point with really long choil. Even his star pupils' knives, the ones featured in Blade, look just like his. I'm guessing that's the one style he teaches.

Regardless of all of that, none of this would have bothered me until an article came out about a month or so ago in the December 2009 issue of Blade, the main page of which I've included below.

The article in question is about "copying" knives, how some makers decide to reproduce a "special" knife that has some sort of personal or historical significance to the maker. Ed describes copying a knife, how a maker might see a knife, be influenced by it, and want to reproduce it. He states that some makers will make an almost picture-perfect replica, down to the measurements and angles, while others will take what they see and reproduce or reimagine it while interjecting their own thoughts and feelings into the knife. The latter, he says, is more of a "true art", because an exact copy many times lacks "emotion", "vision", and "soul". This is his preferred method, and in fact, towards the end of the article he says, "Copy becomes art when your 'copy' has liberal portions of your personal emotion and well-developed knowledge supporting it."

My issue with this (no pun intended) is that he provides an example of a knife he says he had always thought was beautiful and from a special time, and one that he wanted to copy. It is a boy's knife, the kind made by Case, Ka-Bar and others, from the days when a young boy wearing a sheath knife was no cause for alarm. Included in the article is a picture of a Ka-Bar boy's knife, and below it are pictures of his "versions" of the boy's knife...knives which look EXACTLY like every other knife he makes. In fact, he describes his process in "copying" the knife:
I decided to make my version...
While it is different from the original, my personal emotion is there. The handle on the boy's knives was too small for my hand. I made the handle on my version deeper to fit my grip, added a more significant guard, and changed the blade design more to my liking using my special 52100 steel and methods.
Changing the handle, changing the guard, changing the blade. Doesn't that equal: NOT the same knife? Not even remotely? As you can see in the picture, his "versions" of the knife pictured above his creations look absolutely nothing like what he claims he copied, have nothing to do with what he copied, and to the contrary, look like every other knife he makes. He says his "emotion" was in the creation of the boy's knives...what is that supposed to mean? He was "thinking" of a boy's knife, all the while making the exact same knife he always does?
I understand artistic license, artistic liberties, influences and injecting one's own style into something...but this is the equivalent of a tailor saying, "That's a really nice winter coat; I think I'll make my version of one," and then proceeding to sew together a t-shirt. "Oh, I decided to remove the sleeves, not include a collar and and use a different material...but I was thinking of a winter coat while I made it. And by the way, I'm a full-time t-shirt maker. This just happens to be my version of a winter coat."

Friends, what are your thoughts on this?




PS: I will say that I am a fan of Mr. Fowler's monthly articles (although I can do with a little less with his referring to knives as women: "She took my hand and danced with me, whispering coyly to me her secrets" etc etc.) and I read his articles religiously. I just have an issue with his claiming his "copy" of the knife in question has anything to do with the original.
 
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He was copying the idea and size of the knife, not the design itself.

All Fowler knives look similar because that is the way he makes them. That one is actually pretty different in dimensions and angles from his common designs.

Odd that this bothered you enough to make a massive topic post about it.
 

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N00b question: Why do all of Ed Fowler's knives look EXACTLY the same?

Maybe because...

There is only ONE Ed Fowler knife?
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All joking aside, I don't think they all look exactly the same. Most of them look very similar, but that's because he mostly uses the same materials (sheep horn & brass) for the handles.

Kind regards,

Jos
 

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Initially I was going to bring up Warhol and get all argumentative, but instead let me leave it by saying he's basically taking the essentialist's position when he speaks of the soul of a knife, down to Plato's definition that art is imitation.
 
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Initially I was going to bring up Warhol and get all argumentative, but instead let me leave it by saying he's basically taking the essentialist's position when he speaks of the soul of a knife, down to Plato's definition that art is imitation.

Plato thought Art was imitation of an imitation :p
 
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Odd that this bothered you enough to make a massive topic post about it.
Well, originally I was simply going to post the picture of the article and type "WTF is this?!??", but being a relative newbie to the board, I thought it would be better if I articulated what I was trying to say coherently.
That, plus I wasn't able to get my scanner up and running until this week, and the magazine came out about two months ago, so it's had that long to stew in my brain. :)

By the way, here's another example, that came out last year:



Even if you came across this thing, how are you supposed to tell the difference between it and every other one?
 
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and in the future perhaps you should realize that threads like this turn into giant pissing matches and you may get labeled a troll... Why did it bother you so much that you felt compelled to come here and start this thread? Are you so arrogant as to think that your opinion is so spot on that it cant be possible that others think differently:confused:
Thank your lucky stars it hasnt been moved to wine and cheese...
i really dont see your argument, considering it's an opinion, your opinion but then again everybody's a critic
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Seen a lot of Ed's knives. Each one has looked a little different and felt a little different.
I guess I do not understand the question, but that may be because I have handled a lot of his work.

As far as your second question. He does not make that many fighters and if he made more than one in 08. I would bet he knows where the rest of them are and I bet the one that was stolen was marked uniquely.
 
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Are you so arrogant as to think that your opinion is so spot on that it cant be possible that others think differently:confused:
Did you post in the wrong topic or something?

ETA-here is Ed's 'The Knives' page of his site http://www.edfowler.com/theknives.html I can see what he is talking about, the handles are all essentially the same with slight variations on the theme. I think a lot of people are used to makers expressing a few different design concepts and material mixtures across their range, while Fowler seems to be sticking with one.
 
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Did you post in the wrong topic or something?

ETA-here is Ed's 'The Knives' page of his site http://www.edfowler.com/theknives.html I can see what he is talking about, the handles are all essentially the same with slight variations on the theme. I think a lot of people are used to makers expressing a few different design concepts and material mixtures across their range, while Fowler seems to be sticking with one.

no i think the guy is stirring the pot, why else would you start a thread slamming a makers style, i dont know fowler so i aint butt hurt on it but all makers have a style, some consistency, some more than others... and i question when this kinda thread comes up simply because it's similiar to the old Strider sucks, Buck sucks, CS sucks blah blah blah and we all know how well those turn out
The OPs sentiment could have been conveyed in a different manner as to not appear like he was accusing fowler of some faux pas
sorry if i offended
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The two views you see of the knife I made as my 'copy' of the K-Bar both of the same knife, right side and left side. If you get a chance to handle one of my knives, squeeze it, roll the handle in your hand, work with it is all grips, then try it with another and you will see that while they may look the same, they are all very individualistic. Blade geometry has changed from year to year, knife to knife for functional reasons.

I work with sheep horn exclusively for several reasons:
To me it is natures ultimate handle material, almost indestructible.

I find it a supreme challenge to work with the design nature provides through the shape of the horn to provide harmony of function with the dynamics of the human hand.

My design has been carefully worked out in accord with my personal experiences using a knife as my primary tool for survival, work, good times with nature and lady knife.

Do I love them - yes, the knife when it fits my thoughts is a very emotional partnership.
 

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The two views you see of the knife I made as my 'copy' of the K-Bar both of the same knife, right side and left side. If you get a chance to handle one of my knives, squeeze it, roll the handle in your hand, work with it is all grips, then try it with another and you will see that while they may look the same, they are all very individualistic. Blade geometry has changed from year to year, knife to knife for functional reasons.

I work with sheep horn exclusively for several reasons:
To me it is natures ultimate handle material, almost indestructible.

I find it a supreme challenge to work with the design nature provides through the shape of the horn to provide harmony of function with the dynamics of the human hand.

My design has been carefully worked out in accord with my personal experiences using a knife as my primary tool for survival, work, good times with nature and lady knife.

Do I love them - yes, the knife when it fits my thoughts is a very emotional partnership.

Mr. Fowler--I've always looked at your work as interesting in that it seems like your work always follows the same appearance but is tailored to different tasks. To say that all of your knives are the same is like saying all Swiss Army knives are the same--but while looking quite similar at a distance there are many differences when you actually pick it up and use it. Does that sound like a fair way to describe it?

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Hardly "the same". There is an Ed Fowler "style", just as there is a Moran "style" or a Loveless "style" and while each genre may have certain characteristics that clearly point to the inspiration if not the maker, they are hardly "the same".

BTW - Mr Fowler makes beautiful knives and if I could afford one I would be a very proud and happy owner indeed".
 
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Did you post in the wrong topic or something?

ETA-here is Ed's 'The Knives' page of his site http://www.edfowler.com/theknives.html I can see what he is talking about, the handles are all essentially the same with slight variations on the theme. I think a lot of people are used to makers expressing a few different design concepts and material mixtures across their range, while Fowler seems to be sticking with one.

I can also see what the thread starter is referring to , the models do all look very similar , with differences in blade lengths. The other differences will have to be held to be felt , so visually I can easily see how the thread starter came to ask the question he did.

Even Mr Fowler stated it clearly:
If you get a chance to handle one of my knives, squeeze it, roll the handle in your hand, work with it is all grips, then try it with another and you will see that while they may look the same, they are all very individualistic.

Can't fault the guy for asking a question....hey it's better than another " why is a Seb worth the $$$ thread ". ;)
 
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Like many knife designs, IMHO Ed Fowler's need to be handled and probably used to be understood. I was originally not drawn to the look but spending some time at his table at a few shows (and most importantly, spending some time handling the knives) has helped me "get" his knives.

After our first BLADE West a few years ago, I asked Mrs. Tradja about her favorites among the knives she had handled. She immediately said "Murray Carter and that nice cowboy guy with the awesome sheephorn handles".

As far as the critique of Ed Fowler's interpretation of the Kabar boy's knife, I appreciate the analogy of the t-shirt maker's interpretation of a winter coat. But really, an artist does not set out to clone an inspiration; he interprets and/or deconstructs it. As the clipping states, "finding [the knife's soul] requires much more than just reproducing the appearance of the knife".

:shrug: Yes, like many makers, Mr. Fowler has a pretty consistent style. His knives are very pleasing in the hand and (I can only imagine) in the field. They command a hefty price tag and people buy them. I don't really expect to see silver twill carbon fiber framelock M4 tanto folders on his table next year.

ETA:
Can't fault the guy for asking a question....hey it's better than another " why is a Seb worth the $$$ thread ". ;)
John, that's easy for you to say, because your knives are photogenic, varied, AND ergonomic! ;) But ironically, the answer to his question is the same as the Seb question: you have to handle one to understand. :D
 
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Wow, thanks for taking the time to respond, Mr. Fowler! I'll certainly try to keep your points in mind if I ever have the privilege to handle one of your knives.

By the way, to Ivan: No, I was not trolling; as I said, I'm a relative newcomer to the world of knives and as such, I freely admit that my perception of a knifemaker's art is amateurish at best, hence my question. I apologize to all "to whom it may concerns" if it came off as rude. Maybe you could describe my situation as "not being able to see the forest for the trees".

I think the best answer to my question was:
He was copying the idea and size of the knife, not the design itself.
--Oh! Okay.

The best qualifying statement was:
I do not understand the question, but that may be because I have handled a lot of his work.
--I have not yet had that honor.

As I said, I'm a fan of Ed's writing and his passion for knives and knifemaking in every article is obvious. Although I may lack the experience to appreciate everything he puts to paper (or keyboard), I certainly love reading it.

I guess we can consider this subject closed, but interestingly enough, another relevant topic has come up in the thread: Why do Sebenzas cost so damned much? ;)
 
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all right then, and if i came off as an idiot i apologize... wasnt your question that bothered me it was the way it was asked, which was very thorough:thumbup: but seemed to me to be taking a shot at this particular maker.
Sorry i roughed ya up in my post
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Look alike? Hardly...maybe in a two dimensional picture you could get that impression but I would suggest you visit the Blade Show in Atlanta or some other show where Mr. Fowlers work is on display. Each knife is unique. Aside from that once you have reached perfection. Why deviate?

The same could be said for Walter Brend knives. There is a DISTINCT look to them...but all are unique..

Good Noob question though!
 
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