Nalgene bottle being pulled

[Mack]

Some Nalgene bottles will be pulled off the shelves.
Here is a clip from Fox News.
ROCHESTER, New York — The maker of Nalgene water bottles in the United States has decided to pull some of its hard-plastic bottles from stores over the next few months.

The company says it is responding to increasing consumer concern over bisphenol, an ingredient known as B-P-A, and whether the chemical poses a health risk. The manufacturer says it will substitute its Nalgene Outdoor bottles, a line that does not contain B-P-A.

The news comes as the Canadian government announced it is moving to ban use of the chemical in baby bottles.

B-P-A is also found in food-can liners and hundreds of other household items. It's been been linked to neurological and behavioural problems in babies, along with some cancers, diabetes and obesity.

The chemical industry says any B-P-A that could come from the bottles is too little to harm humans.

But critics point to an influx of animal studies linking low doses to a wide variety of ailments.

 

[kgd]

yep - there are quite a few past threads that have talked about this.

'The company....is responding to increased consumer concern'. As I indicated in my response to a similar thread before - this is capitolism at work! Didn't even require government regulation in this case!

Now lets hope they do the same to those liners in the cans.

 

[C_Kyle]

So, is the Everyday line of bottles the only ones that are OK? Or, to rephrase, should I trash my older Nalgene bottles?

 

[ROCK6]

So, is the Everyday line of bottles the only ones that are OK? Or, to rephrase, should I trash my older Nalgene bottles?

No and I would probably take advantage and buy some more on discount. There's a lot of speculation, but zero hard evidence that these bottles are directly linked to the other problems caused by larger amounts of BPA. I understand the concern, but we are a society of knee-jerk reactions and Nalgene is just avoiding bad press that will definately lead to losses. It's really a win-win situation for me; I do prefer the stainless bottles that they are now marketing, but I'll still buy the plastic ones that will be on sale soon:thumbup:

ROCK6

 

[gcgcgc]

I still use my nalgene bottles....and I remember hearing about the type of plastic being bad for you in 2001. But, I also use a Sigg bottle. You can google it to see them, they're around 20 bucks or so...which is 5-10 more than a Nalgene, but a nice metal container.

 

[kgd]

So, is the Everyday line of bottles the only ones that are OK? Or, to rephrase, should I trash my older Nalgene bottles?

The hard plastic, clear, bottles are the ones of concern. The softer, cloudy bottles are okay.

Should you get rid of your old one? That's a personal decision. If you aren't an infant or pregnant mother than the risk to you is likely small. The amount of BP you get exposed to from the intended use of your nagene bottle for drinking water is likely to be trivial.

My impression is most of our BP exposure occurs from using canned tins that contain the plastic liners. The foods contained within these tins have surfactant like qualities that are much more effective at leaching BP from the liner than pure water would be from the naglene inner wall. I've kept my nalgene containers and continue using them for drinking water.

I have, however, altered my lifestyle somewhat to incorporate fewer canned good foods in my diet then I did before. For example, I incorporate a lot of beans in my diet, and have switched to using dried beans rather than canned ones. This turns out to have added benefits in that dried beans are much cheaper than the canned varieties, and I have found out that they actually taste much better too. The cost is less convenience.

I'm not trying to be an alarmist though. I think it is very unlikely that anyone is going to trace a particular health problem to past BP-exposures unless you are talking about occupational exposures. Still some of us might want to take charge of what risk factors we can control. There isn't anything wrong with this as long as you don't get so bent out of shape controlling one type of risk and inadvertantly increasing another one.

Here is an example - my stepmother has gone totally organic in everything she does to the point where she refuses to purchase vegetable oils due to fear of various residues contained within them. She has substantially increased use of butter and high fat meats - because the limitations on availability of organic-grown beef reduce the types of cuts of meat she can buy. My dad is gaining weight like crazy because of the increased saturated fat in his diet. I have a personal fear that he will die of a heart attack before he can be saved from pesticides.

 

[Rupestris]

So, is the Everyday line of bottles the only ones that are OK? Or, to rephrase, should I trash my older Nalgene bottles?

Only if you are concerned and there is a "1" or "7" in the recycle code on the bottom of the bottle.

 

[ROCK6]

Well, since the "FDA is aware of several reports stating that BPA has estrogen-like activity", this could be why we have so many sissies now days...maybe I should be concerned

ROCK6

 

[kgd]

There's a lot of speculation, but zero hard evidence that these bottles are directly linked to the other problems caused by larger amounts of BPA.

I agree with the above with respect to using nalgene bottles by adults and non-pregnant females for water usage.

I disagree with the above regarding human health concerns of BPA exposures to preganant femals and infants. The concern related to exposures to fetuses and infants is gaining wide acceptance in the scientific community and there is a plethora of studies and evidence indicating the potential for harm to occur when small doses occur at a critical time of development. Here is a link to one such study, although as of 2008 there are several investigations by independent groups coming to similar conclusions:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18226066?ordinalpos=15&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Neurological problems are certainly difficult to establish causation in human cases as we do not detect them until a child is at an older age. However, the ability to generate neurological symptoms at relatively low doses in animal models suggests this to be a cause of concern.

 

[carrot]

I picked up a smaller Sigg bottle for every day use now. (BPA was just the excuse I needed to try Sigg.) But I still use my Nalgenes, namely when I need to carry a larger amount of water or when I go cycling.

 

[Rupestris]

Well, since the "FDA is aware of several reports stating that BPA has estrogen-like activity", this could be why we have so many sissies now days...maybe I should be concerned

ROCK6

Mood swings. Name calling. Whats the matter Rock? Your monthly visitor show up early?


kidding of course. Its the cramps. They can ruin my whole day...

 

[kgd]

this could be why we have so many sissies now days..

This probably due to video games - and kids reaching the conclusion that waving a little baton (wei) in the air is somehow the same as achieving real world skills that require actual coordination....

(I did appreciate your humour here though )

 

[ROCK6]

Mood swings. Name calling. Whats the matter Rock? Your monthly visitor show up early?
kidding of course. Its the cramps. They can ruin my whole day...

I was just feeling a little ornery since we have a bunch of thunderstorms this morning and another on its way...kept me from getting out:grumpy: I wonder if Jack Daniels in Lexan would counter the BPA threat...time to experiment

ROCK6

 

[DOC-CANADA]

So, is the Everyday line of bottles the only ones that are OK? Or, to rephrase, should I trash my older Nalgene bottles?

Even if you decide to stop using Nalgene bottles for drinking water, don't trash them. They are excellent waterproof containers for carrying stuff (first aid supplies, matches, firestarter, etc.) in your pack.

Doc

 

[Mack]

Even if you decide to stop using Nalgene bottles for drinking water, don't trash them. They are excellent waterproof containers for carrying stuff (first aid supplies, matches, firestarter, etc.) in your pack.

Doc

Thanks for that advice. I just bought two new ones yesterday. I will continue to drink from them but I have pretty much decided that there is nothing that is not trying to kill me. I will live until I die.
Using them for waterproof containers is a great idea.

 

[DWK2]

Not to mention their use as crush-resistant containers when you have to put delicate smaller items in your checked duffel bags. TSA guys can still generally see what's in them (without unpacking the Nalgene's contents if TSA inspects your luggage).

DancesWithKnives

 

[C_Kyle]

Even if you decide to stop using Nalgene bottles for drinking water, don't trash them. They are excellent waterproof containers for carrying stuff (first aid supplies, matches, firestarter, etc.) in your pack.

Doc

I usually carry two, one for water (+ hydration bladder) and one for other stuff like you mentioned. I tear them up pretty quickly, so I'll buy the good ones when it's time for replacement.

 

[EmsRescueGuy]

Only if you are concerned and there is a "1" or "7" in the recycle code on the bottom of the bottle.

From everything I have read it is only the #7s that are a concern at present because they are the polycarbonate, The # 1s are okay. anyway I threw out one nalgene today because it was onld and beat up and starting to retain tastes even long after it was washed, other than that im not worried too much.

 

[denverco]

I'll be buying up a bunch at a great price im sure. I'll find a million more uses for them including drinking. If i have to hear about this one more time......