Native at Wal Mart

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Ive got a few questions about the Spyderco Native at Wal Mart. Is this a Wal Mart only version of the Native? Please forgive my ignorance, I am looking for my first quality folding knife, and I have read several good things about Spyderco, so I thought I'd check it out. The Wal Mart website says it has a "hollow-ground CPM-S30V steel blade." What do they mean by hollow ground? And what does CPM stand for? Does this knife come with a sheath? Also, does anyone have a picture of this knife with something else in the picture to give an idea of its relative size? Thanks for the help.

ETA: Is this a USA made knife?
 
I bought one there and it is not a Walmart only, model. It is one of the best knife buys I have ever seen, at $39.99 (with no sales tax), as I live in NH. Just buy one and take my word. I strongly believe you will be very happy that you did. The blade is wicked sharp. It is lightweight, and with s30v, you can't go wrong. Hollow ground makes a good cutting knife. Look on the net for differanty blade grinds. They have charts with good graphics to illustrate the differant grinds.
 
Yes it's a USA made knife. Hollow ground is just a type of grind, no sheath. CPM is the company that makes the steel.
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The first example is a hollow grind.
 
CPM stands for Cruciable Powder Metallurgy. It is a fine grained steel, and very tough and keeps an edge quite a long time.
 
No, the knife does not come with a sheath. It does come with a pocket clip, so a sheath is not really needed. Here are some shots with a Delica 4 and UKPK, and Endura 4 and Manix and Mini-Manix that I happened to have on the hard drive.
 
rick43t3 said:
CPM stands for Cruciable Powder Metallurgy. It is a fine grained steel, and very tough and keeps an edge quite a long time.
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I believe CPM stands for Crucible Particle Metallurgy, actually.

This is probably the most knife for the money on the market and it is definitely the best knife that Wal-Mart sells.
 
Here are a couple showing it with a DVD, something I think everyone has at least a couple of...

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CombatGrappler said:
I believe CPM stands for Crucible Particle Metallurgy, actually.

This is probably the most knife for the money on the market and it is definitely the best knife that Wal-Mart sells.
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I stand corrected. It most certainly does. You're right, it is the best knife Walmart sells. It is very hard to pass this one up while shopping there, as Walmart is not selling guns anymore in many of their locations.
 
rick43t3 said:
It is very hard to pass this one up while shopping there, as Walmart is not selling guns anymore in many of their locations.
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I read about the Spyderco Native deal at Wal-Mart the other day, and went to Wal-Mart that evening, just to look. I looked at it for about 30 seconds before I put it down, and told the guy at the counter that I would take it. My first Spyderco. Nice, and *sharp*!
 
It would be interesting to see what Spyderco thinks about WalMart... Imagine the squeeze that WalMart has on spyderco to get the deal that they have on that knife.
 
Thomas_H said:
It would be interesting to see what Spyderco thinks about WalMart... Imagine the squeeze that WalMart has on spyderco to get the deal that they have on that knife.
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Yeah, but imagine the increase in overall sales... The Native was already a big seller for Sal, no doubt, but if it's now in every Wal-Mart in the country...
It'd be sad in quality control had to cut corners. Really sad. I don't think Spyderco would do that, though.
 
JacksonKnives said:
Yeah, but imagine the increase in overall sales... The Native was already a big seller for Sal, no doubt, but if it's now in every Wal-Mart in the country...
It'd be sad in quality control had to cut corners. Really sad. I don't think Spyderco would do that, though.
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They don't cut corners. The Native that you buy from WW is the same fit and finish as the one you buy from the Spyderco factory outlet, or any brick 'n mortar store. I have 5 natives from various places and they are all great.
 
A.P.F. said:
They don't cut corners. The Native that you buy from WW is the same fit and finish as the one you buy from the Spyderco factory outlet, or any brick 'n mortar store. I have 5 natives from various places and they are all great.
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(Disclaimer: I have no information on Spyderco's production numbers and everything I've said in this thread is a guess)

If the number of C41s in production goes through the roof because of a huge order from Wal*Mart, there's always the possibility that QC will slip on an increasing number of units. I'm not saying that Spyderco will have this problem, but it's happened many, many times in the past with other companies making other kinds of products. Mass production has a lot of benefts, but there are two sides to every coin. I think it's great that Spyderco has knives in Wal*Mart, but it's not all roses.
 
We could go on ad nauseum about the implications of having a contract with Wal-Mart. Suffice to say, it has been very destructive for some companies. My only hope is that Sal did not feel he *had* to sign a contract with Wal-Mart at all, and that in retrospect, he looks upon the experience as a positive one.
 
I think a lot of the price difference is the smaller markup from Wallmart compared to a small knife store.
It is a great chance to expose new people to Spyderco.
 
New Graham has the regular PE Native for 46 bucks and change...not that much more than the 40 bucks at Wal-Mart. About 15% more, give or take. I don't think Sal had to sell his soul for the deal or anything like that.
 
Unsub said:
I think a lot of the price difference is the smaller markup from Wallmart compared to a small knife store.
It is a great chance to expose new people to Spyderco.
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Some of the price difference can be attributed to smaller markup, but certainly not all.

(And I'm talking about merchandise bought by Wal-Mart in general, I have no knowledge of Spyderco's deal with Wal-Mart.)

I was going to write a long essay on how Wal-Mart does business, but I won't go into it. Bottom line, if you want to do business with Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart will name the price it pays for your product. Many companies doing business with Wal-Mart have little or no power to negotiate prices.
 
JacksonKnives said:
If the number of C41s in production goes through the roof because of a huge order from Wal*Mart, there's always the possibility that QC will slip on an increasing number of units.
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I understand your point, and I don't have any quantitative data, either, but from overhearing MANY shoppers at Wal-Mart AND from comments posted to the Buck forum regarding the 'typical Wal-Mart consumer' from members of Buck Knives management, a $40 knife -- even a super-bargain-steal-of-the-century-fancy-pants-steel knife is a VERY expensive knife by Wal-Mart standards. I assume (and hope) Spyderco made some money on that deal, but I really wonder if their sales would increase enough to cause QC worries, at least over the long term.

Besides, from an admittedly tiny sample of five, all but one of the Wal-Marts in in a 20-mile radius of my neighborhood in north Denver have done away with their sporting goods counters and gone to "all hanging peg" knife displays with nary a Spyderco to be seen... The Natives I've bought at Wal-Mart came via their Web site or from a counter, back when they existed...

I wonder how the "de-counter-ification" of Wal-Mart sporting goods departments, if it's widespread, will affect their knife sales in general?
 
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