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Natrix vs matrix the 0777 quagmire

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Mo2, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    UPDATE ON PAGE 4 read below
    Update on Page 5 read below...


    so Kershaw came out with the natrix just last week and here's Marfions response on insta.
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    he's also stolen other knife designs.... then someone wrote this blog article which does justice really nice and is a great read.

    http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2017/01/the-story-behind-greatest-knife-of-all.html

    Article was taken down due to legal action from Tony. update on page 4 Post 73
    http://www.bladeforums.com/index.ph...he-0777-quagmire.1464781/page-4#post-17093758

    here is the link to the article from wayback machine
    https://web.archive.org/web/2017012...1/the-story-behind-greatest-knife-of-all.html

    update on page5 http://www.bladeforums.com/index.ph...he-0777-quagmire.1464781/page-5#post-17095967
    He is suing KAI USA and his son from Heretic knives.

    Friday, January 20, 2017
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    It starts with the Zero Tolerance ZT0777, the first of the Triple Ubers. These three knives--the ZT0777, ZT0888, and ZT0999 have all pushed what is possible in knife making. Each was a new high water mark, an achievement in the craft of cutlery. The ZT0777 tried to do something that literally only KAI USA could do. You see, they have the patent on brazed blades, that is the composite process that results in a spine of one steel and the cutting edge of another. In the case of ZT0777 they were attempting to make a composite of Damascus and another steel. Even if there wasn't a patent on the brazing process, to this day, no one, custom or production, has attempted this feat.

    But as is often the case when you push the envelope, it sometimes pushes back. The process of making the ZT0777 was difficult and in the end only a handful of the composite blade versions were released. The run was finished out with M390 blades. But KAI USA tried for a very long time. During that trial and error period, Microtech, maker of autos of all kind, decided to blatantly copy the ZT0777 and released their version, with the much less ambitious blade steel (Elmax, if I remeber correctly), as the Matrix. When word got out, the knife world went, justifiably, bananas.

    One thing that people don't seem to understand in the knife world, is that designs cannot be subject to intellectual property protection, either patents or trademarks. Patents are designed to protect inventions and trademarks are designed to protect branding elements (logos, symbols, and wordmarks...very rarely sounds too). A knife design, how it looks, is neither an invention nor a branding element. So it may be possible to patent a locking mechanism, which happens all of the time (and is relevant later in the story of the Natrix), but it is not possible to patent a knife design. I suppose a sufficiently complex and different knife might be eligible for patent protection, something like the Caswell Linkage karambit, but it would a rarity. And so, when Anthony Marifone and Microtech blantantly stole the design for the ZT0777, despite the hew and cry online, there was little KAI USA could do. They had to watch while a lesser maker simply ripped them off.

    When they decided to make the ZT0770, a smaller, tamer version of the ZT0777, they again were beat to market by Marifone the intellectual property thief. Microtech released the Mini Matrix. Eventually both knives faded out of Microtech's line and I don't believe either were especially good sellers, but it was an episode that did real harm to the knife business. Makers complain about their designs being ripped off by Kevin Johns and the Chinese, but here we have someone in America doing something just as bad. In my mind it is worse because unlike the folks at Kevin Johns, Marfione has the talent and capacity to make something better, he just chooses not to. Stealing other people's good ideas is easier, apparently.

    And this was not the end to Marfione's pilfery of KAI USA's good ideas. ZT introduced a variant on the framelock, call the subframe lock, on the ZT0777 as well

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    and has since been incorporated into designs all across the KAI USA line up.* Well, Marfione's laziness and greed got the better of him and he copied the subframe lock and released it on his knives. But this time he stole an invention, one that was subject to intellectual property protection, and KAI called him on it. After a lawyer letter to Microtech from KAI USA, they ceased making the subframe lock. But again, it is a sign of Marfione's nature--three times he has stolen from KAI.

    So when I got my press preview of the Kershaw 2017 line up I saw the Natrix and I literally laughed out loud. Matrix--Natrix...HA! Is it a portmanteau for Not Matrix? Maybe....Sitting in my home office, at around 10:30 PM, I chuckled. Kershaw is producing a copy of a rip off of the ZT0777. Talk about making lemonade...But then I read the copy in the catalog more closely and it is clear that they are taking aim at Marfione--they mention someone really liking the design. That is GREAT!

    But there is a deeper level here, one that confirms for me that this is the greatest knife story, and knife, of all time. Being a fan of dinosaurs has led me to an appreciation for taxonomy and I remembered in the crevices of my brain the word "natrix." After a chat with a fellow in the know, I had full recall--Natrix is the genus of a snake, in particular, a group of grass snakes. So here you have the Natrix, a knife aimed at Anthony Marfione, and it is named after a snake in the grass. How wonderfully delicious!

    In life, as adults, we rarely get the chance to give someone their comeuppance. Growing up is a process of learning how to move on from folks that are assholes and jerks to you, knowing that seeking vengeance is expensive and rarely healthy. But sometimes the stars align and you get that chance. This is KAI USA's chance. This is a clear broadside aimed at Marfione. I wish them all of the luck in the world.

    And so I am going to go buy my Natrix, not because I am all that interested in the knife, but because I want to show support for KAI USA in their battle against lesser craftsmen that act like theives. It sucks to have stuff stolen. It is worse when you get punished for trying to achieve greatness. But it is awesome that you get to make a profit on giving some snake his comeuppance.

    The Kershaw Natrix--the greatest knife of all time. Oh and #fuckthematrix

    CORRECTION: I erroneously wrote that the ZT0454 was the first sub frame lock. It was the ZT0777. Here is how the sentence originally read: "It first came to market on the ZT0454 and has since been incorporated into designs all across the KAI USA line up." The corrected portion is followed by an asterisk.
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2017
  2. Dangerously

    Dangerously Basic Member Basic Member

    637
    Jan 8, 2013
    What a great article. I like that ZT fights back with production, rather than destruction.
     
  3. PURPLEDC

    PURPLEDC Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 4, 2007
    Hmm. I thought Kershaw wanted to be above the drama. Not that I blame them one bit. Just on what I do know MT has it coming. And I'm sure I don't even have the full story. Though I think to really stomp on Tony's balls they need to make that otf that started the whole thing. Plus I really want a ZT otf. I see tony is ripping off the floating carbon insert into the blade.
     
  4. J85909266

    J85909266

    Jun 6, 2005
    It's a very funny article. Marifone deserves it.
     
  5. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    indeed

    his disregard for IP is appalling
     
  6. A-MAC

    A-MAC Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 12, 2014
    I'll buy one now just to support KAI.
     
  7. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod Staff Member Super Mod

    Apr 6, 2000
    I'd buy one now just because Kershaw makes nice knives.

    If Microtech focused on their own operation instead of what others are doing, they might hsve a better reputation for customer service.
     
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  8. CornSyrup

    CornSyrup

    66
    Jan 21, 2017
    Interesting story but I would still prefer to purchase a ZT 0770 for $50-60 more.
     
  9. Lapedog

    Lapedog

    Dec 7, 2016
    Natrix is s genus of grass snake.

    A snake in the grass, get it?
     
  10. evltcat

    evltcat Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 7, 2011
    After reading that article I'll buy one as well.

    Well played KAI, well played!
     
  11. palonej

    palonej Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Aug 5, 2015
    That is awesome!!
    Joe
     
  12. Hackenslash

    Hackenslash Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 25, 2014
    I guess I'll never buy an MT or a Marfione. What a douche move.

    I will buy a Natrix, just out of principal. Honestly, I think there are more Kershaws I'm in line to buy this year than any other maker. Weird, other than Skylines I've not been in line to buy a new Kershaw for a while. They must be doing something right.
     
  13. DeadboxHero

    DeadboxHero Knife Reviewer, Collaborator, Sharpener

    Mar 22, 2014
    hahahaha well played Kai, well played.
     
  14. jstn

    jstn Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Microtech has some nice looking knives, but the proprietary hardware, poor customer service, and shenanigans such as this makes them hard to swallow. It surprises me that they stay in business.
     
  15. ourgon

    ourgon

    Feb 27, 2013
    Epic...

    [video=youtube;1rmo3fKeveo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo[/video]
     
  16. chris0827

    chris0827

    158
    May 5, 2010
  17. SurfisLove

    SurfisLove

    163
    Apr 25, 2012
    I hadn't been planning on buying any of Kershaw's 2017 lineup, but how can I avoid buying a Natrix now? What a story.
     
  18. DJC72

    DJC72 Gold Member Gold Member

    645
    Aug 1, 2014
    The best part of this is that a Natrix is a grass snake. I guess Kershaw is calling Marfione a snake in the grass. Funny stuff
     
  19. austonh

    austonh Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 26, 2012
    I laughed so hard when I saw this in the Kershaw catalog. I must own one as well.
     
  20. nick21

    nick21

    Feb 22, 2014
    His childish response just made it a must-buy for me.
     

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