Natural Tinder Question...

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When I go out into the woods, I take the tools I need to accomplish what I want...

So, if I want a fire, I take fire lighting tools, and tinder, since that can be hard to find. The only thing I require at that point is fuel, which I know the forest can always provide.

My question is this...

Are there naturally occuring tinders that are always (365 days a year, every season) in a state that is immediately useful.

In other, on the worst day imaginable for fire (Wind, rain, cold soaked/frozed woods) are there always and everywhere going to be a tinder that I can search a bit for, grab, will take a spark off a ferro rod, and allow me to start a fire?

Marion
 
I would think there would always be a dead limb that could be turned into a fuzz stick. (not sure if that would meet your definition of immediately useful)
 
In my area there is an abundance of fatwood. As long as you have the tools to prepare it, it will take a spark. When damp or wet, I will split off a chunk and create a small pile of dust to light. However, I am very interested in other types as well... Especially those found in the southeast.
 
In my area Birch Bark is the best tinder around. Easily found, water proof, simple to prepare, takes a spark, and burns long!
 
I've been trying lately to get a fire going with only a feather stick and ferro rod to see if I could do it. No other tender. No dice so far. I'm trying this outdoors in 20-40 degree temps in whatever wind there is to try to make it as real as possible. The closest I came was to take one big curl and then feather it out vertically and catch a spark on that.
 
I've been trying lately to get a fire going with only a feather stick and ferro rod to see if I could do it. No other tender. No dice so far. I'm trying this outdoors in 20-40 degree temps in whatever wind there is to try to make it as real as possible. The closest I came was to take one big curl and then feather it out vertically and catch a spark on that.


maybe this will help you.

[youtube]6OTrqA0vfss[/youtube]
 
I also try to use what is around me at the time, however there isn't always good dry tinder on hand. I think it's reasonable to bring natural tinder along, as was done in primitive times.

Even the Ice Man (not this one) had tinder fungus with him :)
 
There is always tinder in some form or other. To hope that its ready to go, anytime anywhere, is unrealistic. You may have to work at it sometimes. Thats why its important to have prepped tinder in your kit... but it is just as important to become accustom to NOT using it unless the situation calls for it.

Rick
 
G'day Marion

...
Are there naturally occuring tinders that are always (365 days a year, every season) in a state that is immediately useful.
That's going to depend most on the area you are in :D

Along our eastern/northern coast line and marshy inland areas you'll find the paperbark tree (which is kinda like an Aussie version of Birch bark :D ).

PaperbarktreeMelaleucalinariifolia1.jpg


Even after a week of heavy rain, the inner layers still readily take a spark.
[youtube]Vv76wzA99N8[/youtube]

As well as Birch bark, I'm sure that fatwood is available in some areas of the US (unfortunately I've yet to find any here :thumbdn: )



Kind regards
Mick
 
David,
I think it probably depends on your geography, time of year and weather.

Last night's 60 mph winds and rain, around here would have been impossible.
 
This is all good information, thank you guys.

I guess I asked, because I wanted to reinforce what I already thought...

I read some posts, and there seems to be this unspoken assumption that tinder will always be available, and that they don't need to carry any. But, that idea, is contrary to what I understand. But, I wanted to make sure I was not just being cynical or uninformed.

I always carry fatwood, which can be harvested locally.

How do you process old man's beard?


I would think there would always be a dead limb that could be turned into a fuzz stick. (not sure if that would meet your definition of immediately useful)

Yeah, I thought of that, but getting to the dry heart of something during a wet/cold winter could be a problem.


In my area there is an abundance of fatwood. As long as you have the tools to prepare it, it will take a spark. When damp or wet, I will split off a chunk and create a small pile of dust to light. However, I am very interested in other types as well... Especially those found in the southeast.

Yeah, fatwood is the way for me too. Always ready, if pre-sourced, but finding it under snow and such...


In my area Birch Bark is the best tinder around. Easily found, water proof, simple to prepare, takes a spark, and burns long!

There are birch around, but not everywhere, Good point, though.

And nice video. And nice knife...


Fatwood, birch bark, cattail, cedar shavings (or any fine, dry wood shavings).

Are you speaking of cat-tail fluff? I have heard that it is not one to count on, too fast?


I've been trying lately to get a fire going with only a feather stick and ferro rod to see if I could do it. No other tender. No dice so far. I'm trying this outdoors in 20-40 degree temps in whatever wind there is to try to make it as real as possible. The closest I came was to take one big curl and then feather it out vertically and catch a spark on that.

Sounds like you have it whooped.


I also try to use what is around me at the time, however there isn't always good dry tinder on hand. I think it's reasonable to bring natural tinder along, as was done in primitive times.

Even the Ice Man (not this one) had tinder fungus with him :)

Yeah, I have heard of this... That the fire you have now, makes the next fire.

Fatwood, Cedar bark and Resin mixed ! Proved it today !!!!

Is that a prepared mixture?

Cedar is more prevalent around here, when not logged.


There is always tinder in some form or other. To hope that its ready to go, anytime anywhere, is unrealistic. You may have to work at it sometimes. Thats why its important to have prepped tinder in your kit... but it is just as important to become accustom to NOT using it unless the situation calls for it.

Rick

Good Point. Use tinder as you find it, unless there is none that will work.


G'day Marion

That's going to depend most on the area you are in :D

Along our eastern/northern coast line and marshy inland areas you'll find the paperbark tree (which is kinda like an Aussie version of Birch bark :D ).

PaperbarktreeMelaleucalinariifolia1.jpg


Even after a week of heavy rain, the inner layers still readily take a spark.
[youtube]Vv76wzA99N8[/youtube]

As well as Birch bark, I'm sure that fatwood is available in some areas of the US (unfortunately I've yet to find any here :thumbdn: )



Kind regards
Mick

G'day Mick! I will have to play with this paper bark some day, in Oz, of course. Love the images, as always.


David,
I think it probably depends on your geography, time of year and weather.

Last night's 60 mph winds and rain, around here would have been impossible.

Those are the type of conditions that would really test you.



Best,
Marion
 
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G'day Marion

Are you speaking of cat-tail fluff? I have heard that it is not one to count on, too fast?
Based on my preliminary test with a partially ripe flower, I would describe it as a "flash tinder" that flames for a short period of time. It appears as though the "parachute" or fluff that's attached to the seed burns the best :thumbup:

[youtube]kzYSdcNVnDk[/youtube]

Bear in mind, I'll reserve further judgment untill I've had a chance of testing more samples at different stages of ripeness :thumbup:

IIRC, Doc C has shown in the past how the flower head will smolder & therefore hold a coal for a period of time (but that's different to producing a flame).



Kind regards
Mick
 
A couple of lessons I learned on the way is to take advantage of tinder when nature offers it up to you. I've been thinking about carrying a small little pouch along just for some thing to store tinder in as I find it (my wife hates all the fluff in my pockets come laundry time). Ideally, it would be made of a breathable cloth that you could put in your front pocket and the heat of your body help further dry it as you move along.

Around here it seems that nature can be incredibly abundant with tinder but at other times very stingy. This is also sometimes reflected in space. I remember one time when I ended up having to back track quite a ways to find tinder that I remembered being plentiful, but here wasn't really anything where I wanted to start my fire.

It seems prudent to take advantage when nature's generous side when it comes around.
 
maybe this will help you.

[youtube]6OTrqA0vfss[/youtube]

That almost looks like craft wood and indoors. Although his curls are definitely better then mine. I'm finding dead wood in the open forest, batoning it open to get to the center, then trying to make a feather stick and light it. I'm sure there are those here that can do this almost every time without other tender, hopefully I'll get there with more practice.
 
It depends on area, as previously said. I can usually find readily available tinder where I live, however in a downpour, it isn't as easily accessible, which is why I always have some with me in some form.
 
Are you speaking of cat-tail fluff? I have heard that it is not one to count on, too fast?
Yes Sir, I was referring to cat-tail fluff. Sure, it burns fast, but if you find one most likely you will have plenty more around. Even one of those should be enough, especially mixed with some wood shavings.
 
G'day Marion

Based on my preliminary test with a partially ripe flower, I would describe it as a "flash tinder" that flames for a short period of time. It appears as though the "parachute" or fluff that's attached to the seed burns the best :thumbup:

[youtube]kzYSdcNVnDk[/youtube]

Bear in mind, I'll reserve further judgment untill I've had a chance of testing more samples at different stages of ripeness :thumbup:

IIRC, Doc C has shown in the past how the flower head will smolder & therefore hold a coal for a period of time (but that's different to producing a flame).
Kind regards
Mick

That was essentially what I remembered from my readings, but good to see it. I hope you don't mind me asking, but it looks like you could get better sparks off that rod... Do you choose to use the spine of the knife for a reason?


A couple of lessons I learned on the way is to take advantage of tinder when nature offers it up to you. I've been thinking about carrying a small little pouch along just for some thing to store tinder in as I find it (my wife hates all the fluff in my pockets come laundry time). Ideally, it would be made of a breathable cloth that you could put in your front pocket and the heat of your body help further dry it as you move along.

Around here it seems that nature can be incredibly abundant with tinder but at other times very stingy. This is also sometimes reflected in space. I remember one time when I ended up having to back track quite a ways to find tinder that I remembered being plentiful, but here wasn't really anything where I wanted to start my fire.

It seems prudent to take advantage when nature's generous side when it comes around.

Ken, the Gatherer... : ) Are you gonna enter my contest or what?


That almost looks like craft wood and indoors. Although his curls are definitely better then mine. I'm finding dead wood in the open forest, batoning it open to get to the center, then trying to make a feather stick and light it. I'm sure there are those here that can do this almost every time without other tender, hopefully I'll get there with more practice.

Getting to the center is pretty important, and it helps quite a bit, also size. If you have a bit of fatwood that you keep, naturally and locally gathered of course... And then you have match-stick sized heartwood, progressing up in size from there, then I have found that works very well.


It depends on area, as previously said. I can usually find readily available tinder where I live, however in a downpour, it isn't as easily accessible, which is why I always have some with me in some form.

This is what I have found too.


Yes Sir, I was referring to cat-tail fluff. Sure, it burns fast, but if you find one most likely you will have plenty more around. Even one of those should be enough, especially mixed with some wood shavings.

Good Call with the mixing. I would not have thought of that.



Also, what are your best tips for getting good feather sticks?

Marion
 
Down here I have an abundance of the following for tinder:

Madrone (Arbutus xalapensis) bark (readily flakes off in sheets)

Black Willow (Salix negra) (bark burns well and is also a great aspirin substitute :thumbup:

Ashe Juniper (Juniperus asheii) Very similar to cedar. Burns well even when slightly damp.

Then there are assorted grasses and such that I can dry out quick even when drenched.
 
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