Navy Seal with CS Recon 1

Bimmer1 said:
This has been debated elsewhere and the thought is that the show producers buy certain material (blades) for the show and that does not mean those in action actually use any of those brands. Who knows if any SEALS actually use Cold Steel?? The guy who appeared on the show and is a former SEAL wrote a book on SEALS and inside that book he has a picture of one SEALS gear that he carries daily. The only folder in his gear was a ti framelock Emerson CQC-12.
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Maybe or maybe not as to the DW show; unless they come out and admit it, how could you know for sure?

What we do know for sure is that the SEALs can carry whatever knife each individual SEAL wants. On that, you can just ask a SEAL. Plus, there's no way each and every SEAL is issued an Emerson CQC-12 (a fine knife, BTW, but that's beside the point), or Emerson would be screaming that from the rooftops.
 
BUD/S issues the SRK along with the Kabar. Not because they're great fighting or combat knives but because they're difficult for a trainee to break. CS is in California and markets heavily to the military. I would not be surprised if a SEAL did in fact carry a CS knife. On the opposite side of the spectrum I had the oppurtunity to train with a former SEAL who carries a MOD CQD Mk1 and recognized my Emerson by the clip.

And it is SEAL, not Seal.
 
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Not too shabby.
Of course we all know now that Cold Steel sucks because their knives have such wimpy tips.:D
 
dobervol said:
Maybe or maybe not as to the DW show; unless they come out and admit it, how could you know for sure?

What we do know for sure is that the SEALs can carry whatever knife each individual SEAL wants. On that, you can just ask a SEAL. Plus, there's no way each and every SEAL is issued an Emerson CQC-12 (a fine knife, BTW, but that's beside the point), or Emerson would be screaming that from the rooftops.
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The point is that if you do that type of work for a living and your own life depends on equipment then I would think you would buy the best you could afford. I don't think the SEAL team gets crap equipment. I believe Mr. Emerson could probably attest to how many U.S. military members purchase his blades and how many use them. (Even his custom blades) But that is beside the point. My point was that in a somewhat official book written from a first hand perspective (that includes pictures from those who represent this country as SEAL team members) the picture chosen to be in this book that revealed equipment carried by at least one Navy SEAL did indeed reveal an Emerson CQC-12.

As we all know.......even a sharp stick could be made quite deadly in the hands of a properly trained individual so a SEAL could use a Cold Steel product and make it lethal just as much as any other brand. I'm sure that the t.v. show knew that a blade would be used and tested to it's destruction so why use an expensive blade for that when it can be saved for another day? I don't think it was the knife that was important but rather the skills involved in its use.
 
dobervol said:
That's a fair criticism. The show IS contrived. Who knows what's in that computer program; who knows whether the overall skills of a unit or historical figure are represented accurately by the skills of the folks in the show; and they have to work at it to be sure and find an even or almost even mix of who wins each of the weapon against weapon tests so that it will appear in doubt as to who will win the final computer sim. Even the last is a legitimate criticism in terms of a search for truth--who is to say a computer sim. can come even close to that? And how do you measure whose tactics are better, or who's smarter?

But as long as you know all that while watching and don't take any of it as gospel, I think it's fun as all get-out to watch. For example, there's no way the average Shaolin Monk (and he was on another one, too--Sun Tzu's army, maybe?) was as quick as that tiny Chinese martial arts expert they clocked with by faaar the fastest punching and stabbing speed. Simply blindingly fast. OTOH, they've had a couple shows where the only "experts" with a historical figure and their weapons were desk jockeys like me, whose expertise was historical rather than with any regard to strength, speed and actual USE of the weapon in question.

However, there's really NO way to make these types of determinations with any real degree of certainty, so if you can't have a show with some speculation, opinion and showmanship thrown in, you could never have any "Deadliest Warrior" show at all.
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So what you're getting at is, whether it is accurate or not (which it isn't), it's still fun to watch. And I can respect that, so long as you aren't taking what the show is saying as solid fact and keep in mind that it's just fun to watch.
 
Once you make it through BUD/S and get to a Team you are issued a hand gun and a long gun. What knives you carry is up to you.
BUD/S Class 29wc
 
knife did its job.
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That's an understatement! :D

There are "real" artificial bones inside.
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To simulate real bone hardness etc. I think the tip was snapped on the hard post that kept the humanoid in place. He did some severe overhand stabs right into the neck region - in a downward motion that definitely hit that pole.

That's how to fight with a knife alright! The dude went caveman on steroids - wow - there was nothing left of that thing. :eek:
 
Anybody get the feeling he's done that before???
 
That "Seal" was beefy and fast. Thats a nasty combination if you are a ballistics gel dummy.
 
dobervol said:
So . . . the speed sensor was inaccurate? It is what it is. DW d/n claim to be "a science show"; they just told you what the sensor readout was as to hand speed.

And as for your first sentence, "when it comes to speed," you talk about power?? :confused:

You can brag about being a bad man w/a knife if you wanna, and you might very well be able to slash all the rest of us posting in this thread for all I know, but if it comes down to you versus that Navy SEAL in real life, forgive me, but my $$ is on the SEAL being able to mess w/you all he wants to and still retain his head just fine, thank you. For Pete's sake, the other SEAL there, the demolition expert by trade, even looked half scared of him.

C'mon, now, is this Gecko45 posting under a new pseudonym?
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Google "Isaac Newton".
 
cziv said:
We know - what's your point?
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Not agreeing or disagreeing with either post. The post I quoted seemed to indicate by this - :confused: some confusion as to why speed and power would be mentioned together. That's all.
 
aplehr1 said:
Not agreeing or disagreeing with either post. The post I quoted seemed to indicate by this - :confused: some confusion as to why speed and power would be mentioned together. That's all.
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Gotcha - for those who don't know. Good point. :)
 
stabman said:
Not too shabby.
Of course we all know now that Cold Steel sucks because their knives have such wimpy tips.:D
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So, I spoke to a friend of mine who is one of the advisers for the show. I asked him why the tip broke on the Recon 1. He said it was due to the last stab(s) into the acrylic spine of the dummy. You can even see the seal drive the knife in at one point and twist it out.

The tip bit deep into the acrylic and when it was twisted out, broken tip.

BTW- that was a 2009 model with the modified tanto tip- not as reinforced as the new 2010 models.
 
Are there actually soldiers who prefer to use a folder over a fixed blade? Seems kind of nonsensical to me. If I was in the military, that last thing on my mind would be carrying a folder. That's one of the perks of being in uniform: being able to carry a badass fixed blade without anybody bothering you.
 
Radioactive said:
Are there actually soldiers who prefer to use a folder over a fixed blade? Seems kind of nonsensical to me. If I was in the military, that last thing on my mind would be carrying a folder. That's one of the perks of being in uniform: being able to carry a badass fixed blade without anybody bothering you.
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If you're going through some of the military training schools, they have packing lists and discourage bringing anything other than a folder <4". Of course, once you're outside in the sandbox, outside the wire, you usually won't see restrictions like that - though it's your discretion and responsibility as to what to carry.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
So, I spoke to a friend of mine who is one of the advisers for the show. I asked him why the tip broke on the Recon 1. He said it was due to the last stab(s) into the acrylic spine of the dummy. You can even see the seal drive the knife in at one point and twist it out.

The tip bit deep into the acrylic and when it was twisted out, broken tip.

BTW- that was a 2009 model with the modified tanto tip- not as reinforced as the new 2010 models.
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Thank you for conifrming my observations post #28 and the model knife which I posted in Prac-tac. It's fun to be right once a day at least. :D

I liked my CS Recon 1 but had a helluva time one hand opening it for reasons I won't go into. I notice the SEAL using two hands to deploy.
 
I'm really liking my Recon 1. I've been doing pocket carry (not clipped) so I don't shred my pocket. Gotta some how smooth out that G10 under the clip. Sandpaper. Dremel. Something like that.
 
Hammer27 said:
BUD/S issues the SRK along with the Kabar. Not because they're great fighting or combat knives but because they're difficult for a trainee to break. CS is in California and markets heavily to the military. I would not be surprised if a SEAL did in fact carry a CS knife. On the opposite side of the spectrum I had the oppurtunity to train with a former SEAL who carries a MOD CQD Mk1 and recognized my Emerson by the clip.
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A friend of the family mentioned that the SRKs they got in BUD/S were always beat to hell first (if they were NIB, the instructors would beat them to hell first, according to him). I guess the idea was to make sure they could maintain a beater before being given a brand new knife?
As an aside, he preferred a Super Commander.
 
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