near abusive treatment in the for sale forum

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observed a for sale post recently where a gentleman was given only 90 minutes before someone complained (in a response post) that he had not responded to an e-mail!? the response sounded 'nice'like 'ANY BODY GETTING ANY RESPONSES TO E-MAIL?' to me the implications in the tone are clear. the guy was expecting an e-mail response within 90 minutes! i often post right before bed and don't check e-mail until the next night. i guess the guy would have posted my name in this forum for such a terrible response...duane
 
I'll second that,

As a European Forumite I'm awake when you guys sleep and visa versa so if I post a for sale in the (late) evening I most probably will not respond to emails for 8 hours because I'm sleeping.

Patience, doesn't cost anything not even these days.

Best Scouting wishes from Holland,

Bagheera

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There are many fine gentlemen in this forum. There seems, as of late, also to be some pretty rude guys who are exhibiting boorish and "snotty" behavior.

I think some people are getting impatient waiting for a reply because of the practice of some people to post a knife for trade and then wait a day or so to respond, then they can wade through a bunch of trade offers before deciding which one to take. It sort of becomes a "trade auction".

I won't mention any names because I'm not sure if this practice is kosher or not. I find it irritating so I don't mess with people that do it.

Obviously everyone cannot sit by their computers waiting, so they can reply immediately to every e-mail. But I think you know what I am talking about here.

This is still a great place to sell and trade, but for me, personally, I have started being more aware of who I deal with, and I have a pretty large list of people who I PREFER to deal with. It's amazing what you can learn from reading the GBU forum.
 
I'm actually surprised that I see so many responses in a few minutes or a few hours. Any reply before the next day is really good. Of course if someone wants to move a lot of knives, it's to their own benefit to be there for a while or check in frequently to keep the sales going.

It isn't even a mater of age; we have some very young forumites here who behave as well as any of us.
 
I love these forums and spend quite a lot of time trading and dealing on the "Knives For Sale/Trade" forum. My real complaint is the sudden rash of self imposed "cops" that have surfaced recently. They actually have the nerve to come on folks "For Sale" posts and tell them their price is too high or whatever. For the life of me I can't understand it. ANYONE has a right to ask ANYTHING he or she wants and all of us also have the right to NOT buy it. 99% of the folks on these forums are wonderful. To the 1% that continue to feel they have a need to be the forum "police" I say; "Please, mind your own business"!
 
While we're griping, what bugs me (that we never used to see) are illiterate idiots, with two posts to their names, typing in all caps hyping their wares on ebay. You want to sell stuff on ebay, go ahead, but keep your obnoxious sleazy sales tactics out of my (
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I absolutely agree about impatience. I check my e-mails once a day, sometimes twice. If someone posts right after I am finished, it may be close to 24 hours before I check and get back to them. That doesn't mean I am not interested.
Gene, I agree about the posting police. I also think it is okay to privately e-mail somebody who is new here and let him know the going rate of something he/she is way out of line on. Sometimes all it is is a lack of knowlege, especially if someone asks in their posts why something doesn't sell. I have even had somebody thank me for gently reminding them, because it pointed out a typo on their part.
David


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Its stuff like this that keeps me away from the for sale section of this otherwise fine group. That and Goderators that shoot and make a body count later...
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One thing I CANNOT stand is a person who cannot say he is sorry or overeacted. What makes so many think that they are God? Oh and I don't just mean Goderators
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Why do some think that only a weak fool will show emotion or give an apology? Is this some cultural programming?

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
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I'm sure that in a few sectors of England's populace there are men who are hung up on their form of machismo. Unfortunately, it is endemic in the US.

Saw yesterday where someone wrote in a post where there were some truly thoughtful, insightful posts, that "eloquence is unmanly." Guess we need a few more Hemingways and Ruarks.

I'm one of those who made the mistake of playing "God" in a for sale post on the individual forum. But, I immediately posted the question as to whether I was correct in doing so. I did it because I believed the seller was being deliberately deceitful, tho I did not explain why. Appropriately, I got flamed, and expressed my apologies and won't do it again.

I think tho that sometimes there are quite a few folks who deserve an uncomplimentary mention of their name here, but it doesn't happen because of some outdated more of never snitching, regardless. A post I read yesterday on the general discussion forum, prompted me to write an e-mail to a fourmite and recommend that he post here. So far he's not responded to my e-mail, nor done so. That's fine. So far, I've curbed my great desire to post it myself, and won't do so. But I sure as hell know one forumite who trades and sells a lot of knives, who has at least once been dishonest. I believe people are pretty consistent. I believe it more likely that he is dishonest whenever he can get away with it, than that one occasion was an aberration.

Because of my financial situation, and because such great bargains can occasionally be gotten, I'll continue to haunt the individual sales forum. But, in just the short time I've been in the forum, I believe I can see a bit of difference in the overall tenor of things there.


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Bugs
 
Bugs, with over 10K members, I think it is inevitable that some problems will arise occasionally. While there has been a bit of tension displayed recently, I disagree that we're seeing a change in the overall tenor of the FS forums. In the 2+ years that I've been a member here, I've been an active buyer/seller & have had over 100 transactions with fellow members. Only one deal went truly bad -- a case of blatant misrepresentation -- & wound up here in the GB&U. Were ALL of the rest COMPLETELY hassle free? No, not ALL. However, the vast majority were great and with a little patience and a mutual desire to do the right thing, all were resolved amicably.

There have been over 16K posts in the Individual FS forum. Given the large number of sales these represent, I think it is a real tribute to the folks who frequent this place that there have been so few problems.

BTW, I think I know which General Forum post you referenced; however, we may not be hearing the full story. FWIW, I think you're right to curb your desire to post it here yourself.



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Brian
(formerly bcaffrey)
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
 
General,
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say in your post. Please explain in terms that a simpleton such as I can understand.
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I really wnat to know what you are talking about!
David

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Well ok then, you had a go at me about a post here, when no one was offended and all considered it in good humour. That is one example, others being 'moderators' that called me a troll and were not allowed to get away with this by other formites and EVEN then did not even bother to say oops, sorry buddy
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NOT FUNNY. Then we have moderators that shoot very straight and I have a LOT of respect for.

BTW I am not really having a 'pop' at you, but I was somewhat surprised at your very quick response which I thought rather OTT.

I guess I am just a little annoyed at a somewhat terse response from some moderators that seem to have a grudge with some formites and a bad attitude to boot. We are all human, but if I insult/hurt a person without intending to do so, I will appologise for it.

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
I agree regarding forum etiquette. I recently posted a knife F/S and someone immediately posted that they thought my price was too high. Several others rushed to my defense (thanks guys) Another member listed the same knife at a higher price and I foolishly made a snide remark intended for the "price cop" but it was misinterpreted by the seller, should have kept my mouth shut! I've tried to be as honest as possible in my dealings but recently had a miscommunication with Brian and he did'nt get the knife he expected. He was a real gentleman about it. Thanks Brian! On another recent deal I got stung on a knife that was described as "lightly carried" and I wound up throwing it away. As a result of these incidents, I've withdrawn my latest offerings.
Thanks guys for a great forum,
Rich
 
As Brian Caffrey pointed out, there are now more than 10,000 members on BFC. Thinking in terms of the real world, what percentage of people are f-ing jerks? If we say 5% (a low number by my estimation), then that means that there are now at least 500 total butt heads running around with us here. I'm surprised (but glad!) they aren't heard from much more often.
 
General,
I am not a moderator here, only on the general forums.Being a moderator does not mean that I can express no personal opinions. I have a big pet peeve about people starting out posts her that sound like they are goung to slam someone, and then switch to a light-hearted, positive comment. It is really old and can actually do damage to the individual who is being posted about because some people skim headings without opening the thread and getting the supposedly funny joke There had just been a rather long thread here about that where it was pretty much agreed that that type of negatively started positive thread wasn't cool right before you posted your version. My comments related to that were my own and reflect my true feelings. If you saw that as a personal attack, then I apologize. I maintain the right to post comments here and elsewhere as andividual. If it were not so, I doubt any of us would continue moderating. As for your other concerns, I have never called you a troll, publicly or privately . If it bugs you that much that someone else has, take it to Whine and Cheese and throw it all out on the table, names and all.Thats why the forum exists.
BTW, don't call me a Goderator. I am trying to make the forums the best it can be. None of us receive any compensation for it and end up taking a lot of crap for trying to be a positive influence.
David

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David, this looks like a golden opportunity for me to say that I think you are doing a helluva fine job as moderator.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
Well I did NOT call you a Goderator and it is a term coined by V.G. not me. In fact I used it in a lighthearded way ( hence the wink
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) As to you other comments, well that very fair comment. If you had said that in the first place I would not feel the way I did. You have to realise the post did not offend anyone but you and I missed the post you refered to. It goes without saying that the title "Mike Payne sucks (says my Bank manager!!!)" Is more than a SLIGHT giveaway to the content as being an attempt at humour. But I WON'T be doing it again. If I offended you with the post, then I am sorry.

As to the other issue, I have asked three times for the W&C password. As the Mod for that group was directly involved in said event, it is unfair I have not been given the password. Still who said life is fair? I realise Moderators do a job for free, but sometimes this place gets a little over personal and I see nice people attacking with a vengance. It sickens me to see a blood frenzy, especially when I am the target. Still... I have come to terms with most of the past and have more important things to do, like that 10000 word essay.



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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
General, It is funny that everone else got upset about that topic.............EXCEPT ME!
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In fact General, I was so upset about that topic, that.......as soon as your Bank Manager says it is ok, i'm going to ship you some more blades
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Knives & Things
Mike Payne
 
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Ah well...The things I put up with
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LOL! Cheers Uncle Mike!

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
Certified steel snob!
 
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