Need a kitchen knife!

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I love to cook, always have. I have a whole drawer full of crappy knives that I hate using. I love spyderco knives and have been trying to find a yang kitchen knife but I can't find one anywhere except the one on ebay right now. I'm at a loss when it comes to food prep knives I really have no knowledge on the subject so I'm having trouble picking out a good knife. I don't want another knife to add to the drawer of crap like those stupid miracle blades.

I need some recommendations on a good kitchen knife. I cook a lot of Asian style dishes so I cut a lot of vegetables and meat. I want a knife that will stay sharp and will be easy to keep sharp on my sharp maker. I don't know what style would be best, santoku etc..? you tell me...

I've been browsing this site http://www.japanesechefsknife.com and looking at the fugiwara but I have no idea what would be a good option for me theirs so many to choose from.
 
Well I'd like to keep it around $100 or less but I would consider all suggestions.
 
I don't have a ton of experience but I feel confident saying that a safe bet would be anything by victorinox (forschner). These are inexpensive, easy to sharpen, they have a relatively thin blade making them good slicers, they are lightweight and have a comfortable handle. For less than $100 you could get a few to meet all your needs.

Another slightly more expensive recommendation is MAC. I have a chef's knife from their superior line and it is fantastic. Easily the sharpest knife I own. I believe I got the 7 inch chef's and a 5 inch utility set for around $75 a couple years ago. I am very happy with them.

Good luck!
 
I was just looking on ebay at the Victorinox chef knives, which one do you guys use theirs a couple different styles etc...
 
Mines a 9" I think. A good versatile size. Big enough to cut a watermelon but small enough you can still use the point.
 
Henckels and Whustof both make good knives, both have different levels of quality. I've worked in the culinary industry for 12 years, and my best knives were Whustof and maybe Global.
I'm not saying they are the best knives out there, but for $100 what would you expect?

I prefer an 8" Chef knife, I can work faster. If I need a larger slicer, I have less need for that, so I have some Old Hickory's that I've convexed. I also have a Whustof Santoku that's okay, the handle has a crack in it, never been in the dishwasher, or abused, in fact it's like new, sat unused for years.

Another key is NO DISHWASER DON'T PUT IT IN THE DRAWER PROTECT THE EDGE either get a knife block or a edge guard if you have to put it in a drawer. They do scratch up the blade a bit, unless you don't mind, I don't.
 
Henckels and Whustof both make good knives, both have different levels of quality. I've worked in the culinary industry for 12 years, and my best knives were Whustof and maybe Global.
I'm not saying they are the best knives out there, but for $100 what would you expect?

I prefer an 8" Chef knife, I can work faster. If I need a larger slicer, I have less need for that, so I have some Old Hickory's that I've convexed. I also have a Whustof Santoku that's okay, the handle has a crack in it, never been in the dishwasher, or abused, in fact it's like new, sat unused for years.

Another key is NO DISHWASER DON'T PUT IT IN THE DRAWER PROTECT THE EDGE either get a knife block or a edge guard if you have to put it in a drawer. They do scratch up the blade a bit, unless you don't mind, I don't.

Whustof huh? I will check it out thank you. That's what I'm looking for someone who has culinary experience thank you!
 
My suggestion would be to start with a chef's knife. The triangular blade is great for chopping, slicing, mincing, etc. This is the knife you will find in virtually every professional kitchen, no matter what they say on those Miracle Knife infomercials. The reason: It's the best for most jobs.

Forschner is the clear choice in the under $50 category. Nice and stiff, keeps and hold a good edge, and the ones with Fibrox handles are easy to grip and virtually indestructible. Find a kitchen supply store and handle the 8, 10 and 12 inch models, and buy the biggest one that doesn't feel unwieldy.

That same store also will probably have some Dexter Russells and other brands in the same price range. Me and Dexter go back a long ways and their higher-carbon steel takes and holds a wicked edge, but they're not quite as stiff and the Forschner offerings, which makes using them a bit more awkward. I've also had some cheaper NSF-stamped knives that performed well but which didn't get or stay as sharp.

A good chef's knife and a thin-profile, flexible serrated paring/boning knife will get you through almost anything. The latter can be bought cheap; I've actually gotten a bunch over the years in Goodwill stores for 25 cents or less. My current favorite came in a gift box of sausage and salami.
 
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Hi,
Choosing a chef knife may be easier if you figure out a) which blade style best matches the way you use a knife, and b) whether you want one that follows the German or Japanese approach to knife making.

The four most common blade styles are German, French, Asian, and Japanese.
· German style blades have a wide heel, deeply curve edge - from the middle or “belly” to the tip of knife; meant to be used in a rocking motion. The tip and forward part of the blade acts as a fulcrum, and remain in contact with the cutting board. Rocking is safe, easy to learn, and quite effective, but having the edge in constant contact with the cutting board does dull it rapidly.
· French style blades are more triangular, with flatter or gently curved edge and pointier tip; designed for “draw slicing” (pulling from heel to tip) and “push cuts” (pushing forward & down) where the entire blade is elevated and reposition for each cut. Yields more accurate, uniform cuts.
· Asian style blades (aka vegetable cleaver) is rectangular, comes in various thickness (thin, med, thick, etc.), really excels at "chopping" (straight down), but is not very good at slicing and requires different handling techniques.
. Japanese style blades (aka Santoku) is a short (~180mm) chefs’ knife with a blunted nose; meant for tiny kitchens or applications where a larger, pointed tip knife causes more harm than good.

German chef’s knives are quite heavy, have thick & soft (~52-56HRC) tempered German style blade that is sharpened at 20° per side. They are capable of handle heavy-duty tasks (like cutting through fish & poultry bones), withstand misuse (dishwasher, sink drop), but the thickness of their blade makes them wedge and bind in dense foods (carrots, apples, etc.), and heaviness is ponderous, and fatiguing to use over long periods of time. Their softer tempering makes them more opt to ding than chip on hard impact, easier to sharpened, but easier to dull and come untrue (require frequent honing) and unable to support acute edges.

Japanese chef’s knives (aka gyuto) are very light, and have thin & hard (~58–65HRC) tempered French style blade that is sharpened at 15° per side or lower. They cannot handle the hard use / abuse of a German blade, but does everything else…better. A thinner blade is much effective at everyday tasks (boneless meats, fruits & vegetables, herbs, etc.). Their harder tempering makes them more opt to chip than ding on hard impact, harder to sharpened, but can take more acute edges and stay sharper – longer.

In a nutshell, if your want a knife that can do butchering and general prep tasks – go German. However, if you willing to reserve butchering task to a stouter knife, and want a knife just for general prep tasks – go Japanese.

If you’re still unsure and have a Sur La Table close by, grab a bunch of carrots and ask to try different knives. I’m not sure if the Miyabi knives (vg-10 versions) are in your price range, but check them out. They are made by Henckel and combine the German (fit and finish, ergos, etc.) with Japanese steel. IMO, they are quite nice and you’ll be hard press to find something in its’ price range that is as good and locally available.
 
^ excellent info thank you! I think I would prefer the thinner blade for general purpose. I have a stout enough knife right now for butchering but it's terrible at general purpose like veggies etc... I will check out the Miyabi knives, any other suggestions I think I would prefer french or Japanese style.

Seems all the Henckels Miyabi knives I can find are made of CMV60 not VG-10.
 
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I�m glad my comments made sense.

I believe the VG-10 versions of the Miyabi are exclusive to Sur La Table. The 8� Kaizen Chef�s knife currently being offered at $100 bucks �shipped, imo is crazy good. I don�t know of a better alternative locally or even via mail order.

Fujiwara FKM and Tojiro DP (~$80 bucks + shipping) are often recommended as 1st Japanese knives. The FKM supposedly comes finished better, but uses a lower steel (AUS8 ?). The Tojiro has a VG-10 blade and maybe the least expensive vg-10 knife, but is poorly finished. The one that I played with needed a quite a bit of hand sanding; the handle wasn�t contoured and had gaps, the f&f was rough, etc. In my mind, it's better to spend $10 or so more on the Kaizen vs. having to spend a couple of hours fixing a Tojiro or step down to the lesser blade of FKM.

I think SLT has very good return policy, so you can return if you don't like it. (Please check -thou)
 
I think you sold me on the MIYABI KAIZEN from sur la table.
 
LOL! SLT should be giving me a commision. I confinced my friend to get one as well and it’s as good and in some ways better his Shun.

I’m glad I could help and would appreciate hearing your thoughts after you get it. Are you set for a paring knife?
 
I’ve only played a Premier briefly at the store and as far as I can tell, it’s very much like the Classic with different cosmetics. If the cladding is as soft and easily scratched as the Classic, keeping it looking nice is going to be a bear.
 
What kind of knife are you looking for? I have a few shun knives that I have used maybe once that I was thinking of selling to buy a single really good blade.
Victorionox are better than any $50 set you get at Macy's but they are not my favorite. For $100 you should be able to get a good 6-8 inch chefs knife or a santoku or Gyuto style in a japanese knife.

Ideally you probably only need 2 maybe 3 knives. A pairing knife and a chefs knife, and perhaps a serrated bread/loaf knife or other specialized blade that you might use often. Oh I know maybe a cleaver style or the japanese version which looks similar, wide and flat but is not thick. These are good for scooping cut food and taking to the pot. You don't need a separate knife for each inch in size. I almost never use my 10" chefs , only once used a 10" slicer/carver, used the 10" bread/loaf knife a few times. I use the 6" chefs all the time and very often the spyderco yin/yang knife and a pairing knife very often. Shun knives are very good but I wish I had an 8" instead of a 10 inch and a 6 inch.
Hence I was thinking of selling, let me know if you are interested.

I just read that you said cut a lot of vegetables. I would recommend the Nakiri style, I love cutting vegetables with them and they are good to scoop the veggies after cutting and no need to worry about a sharp point.

Henkels and Wurstoff have good lines, but they also have cheap lines that suck so their name by itself doesn't mean anything to me. You have to shop by knife steel and price. Because they make cheap sets and it can be harder to know which is their good line I generally avoid them now.

Kai makes a pretty good set of knives for a good price. They come in various shapes each in it's own color. I think a 8 inch chefs is only about $50 and I have had good experience with them.
Mac makes good knives but they also have cheaper ones. My parents had the thin ones with rounded tips that i used a lot growing up and they were ok but for some reason i didn't like them a whole lot. The high price mac knives are good to be sure though.

Here is a link to the Shun catalog. They have some ridiculously expensive ones though that I feel you could get a much nicer custom one for a similar price or perhaps cheaper.
http://www.kershawknives.com/pdfs/shun_catalog.pdf
 
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