Need a value on two Queen made S&M’s please

waynorth said:
Ha ha! Guilty as charged!
But I try to keep them interesting and educational, bringing in the pattern origins and comparisons. And I stay away from the prices and other commerce as much as possible. If they are ever generally considered offensive, I would certainly take them down!!
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I personally don't see any harm in this particular thread, as the OP only wanted info to be able to make a fair trade with a friend of his. He got his info, and this thread would have quickly been taken down the list into obscurity by the forum algorithms, and have been forgotten. The ability to ask this particular type of information is a privilege of his gold paid member status. I was once told by our moderators here, if you don't like a thread subject, don't read or post in that thread... It's all good. I now try to take what I like and leave the rest...I may not always succeed, but it is an effort I am endeavoring to adhere to.
 
waynorth said:
Using just the rules, we can destroy the spirit of this forum, IMO.
I personally don't like talking about pricing. Next thing you know we will waste our time talking about "how much profit I made on that last deal"!!!
Not interesting at all!!
I hang out here to discuss the knives, their history, their goodness!
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Charlie, I love reading, and maybe even on rare occasions contributing to, discussions about knives, their history, their goodness (or badness) here! :thumbsup::cool::thumbsup: A big part of my enjoyment comes from learning things that more experienced members know and are willing to share with relative newcomers; this subforum has been immensely educational for me, and I'll always be grateful for that! :):cool::thumbsup:

But what's interesting is always subjective. Often, if something is "old hat" to me, if I know a lot about a particular subject, it can tend to be rather boring to rehash familiar topics. I imagine an experienced knife enthusiast like you does indeed find "talking about pricing ... (n)ot interesting at all" because you know all you need to know about what knives are worth and/or have a network you can consult if valuation questions arise. But I feel like a "babe in the woods" when it comes to "going rates" for knives on the secondary market. In fact, I often feel like the country bumpkin who's going to get fleeced by the slick city boys because of my ignorance.

So I long for a way to increase my knowledge in that particular area of the traditional knife world. I wouldn't want to see The Porch turn into nothing but "how much is Knife X worth?" threads, but I sure would like to see a little more of that sort of thing. One "tradition" at Blade Forums that frustrates me is the fact that many of the "for sale" posts in the Exchange edit out the price as soon as a sale is made. What's up with that?? I can't seem to make time to monitor the Exchange 24/7 so I can record prices in my little black book as soon as an item gets posted, but when I can make some time to try to search through old threads to get an idea of market values, the data are VERY incomplete due to the strange edit tradition.

Anyway, there may be lots of good reasons to keep discussions of pricing out of this subforum, but I'd guess that I'm not alone in thinking that "pricing issues are boring" is NOT one of them!

(Maybe my position is also influenced by the fact that I've spent my entire life helping students learn things that I know very well. Maybe the content itself could possibly get boring, but trying to find better ways to help students "get it" is one of the most exciting things I've ever experienced!)

- GT
 
Yeah, well you are right and I am wrong!! So there!!:p

I still reserve the right to be grouchy if I want!!;)

And I agree also - - - Why do they edit out the prices on the sale forum!! It is a perfect place to learn about market values!! Maybe if the values stayed, we wouldn't have to deal with it here. Let's get that info out there!!

I taught high school for a while also!!:rolleyes:
 
That makes three of us (teaching high school, I mean). I thought the same as GT at first, but when I acquired enough knives to start to sell a few, I found that many buyers requested the price to be removed after they bought. It happened so often that I just figured that was the way it was done. Still don't understand why, unless it's to keep others from knowing what you paid for a knife, when you go to sell it.
 
black mamba said:
That makes three of us (teaching high school, I mean). I thought the same as GT at first, but when I acquired enough knives to start to sell a few, I found that many buyers requested the price to be removed after they bought. It happened so often that I just figured that was the way it was done. Still don't understand why, unless it's to keep others from knowing what you paid for a knife, when you go to sell it.
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Whatever the reasons, I still think it is better to keep the price posted. When I go to sell some knives there, I am specifying that the price stays.
 
That makes 4 of us for having taught high school...lol In a further attempt to completely derail and hijack this thread I will add that I leave prices up when I sell a knife:)

On the OPs original topic, I think that around $100 for the pair would be fair.
 
All I know is, I like those knives, Winterbottom is a terrific bone and I'd be pleased to get either of them at the prices alluded to. It's very hard to get a handle on current pricing and I think the OP's question was fair and useful. It didn't come across as a profit shark on the lookout for a good feed..:eek::D:D:D

I too wouldn't like threads boasting about profit made or trying to flip stuff or get hold of something for nothing etc but the rules do state that certain levels can ask about values and it can be very useful for the rest of us.:thumbsup:
 
I have no real problem with a member of this forum asking the price rang of a certain pocketknife as long as it does not get out of hand and detract from the appreciation and information that this sub-forum is known for. After all price range is also information....;) I also wish the prices would be left up in the exchange after a knife has sold, I am slightly surprised that no one has mentioned the large auction site in this thread so far. Checking the completed auction listings is a very good way to see the current price of a certain knife and it has a much broader market base.

Dave
 
knowtracks said:
I am slightly surprised that no one has mentioned the large auction site in this thread so far. Checking the completed auction listings is a very good way to see the current price of a certain knife and it has a much broader market base.
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This would be my recommendation and it's what I use for a reference.

Just an FYI, based on an earlier post. When prices are edited out of a for sale post, it's done by the Seller and it's their prerogative. Moderators don't have anything to do with it.
I don't sell much on the exchange but I've always left the prices in the thread.
 
For whatever it's worth I to leave my asking prices up for viewing. Every time I see one erased my mind automatically goes to thinking that there is something to hide. And I have yet to see where hiding something is truly a positive thing unless it's a birthday or Christmas present. :)
 
waynorth said:
Yeah, well you are right and I am wrong!! So there!!:p

I still reserve the right to be grouchy if I want!!;)

And I agree also - - - Why do they edit out the prices on the sale forum!! It is a perfect place to learn about market values!! Maybe if the values stayed, we wouldn't have to deal with it here. Let's get that info out there!!

I taught high school for a while also!!:rolleyes:
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Charlie, I didn't think it was a question of "right" and "wrong". I just wanted to go on record as having a different opinion on whether pricing info was interesting. Like so many things, it's just a matter of personal taste (e.g., I like my Rough Rider canoes, but I'd imagine you have no interest in them at all, and we're both "right" for ourselves). And I agree with you that being old isn't as much fun if you can't be grouchy once in a while! :p

black mamba said:
That makes three of us (teaching high school, I mean). I thought the same as GT at first, but when I acquired enough knives to start to sell a few, I found that many buyers requested the price to be removed after they bought. It happened so often that I just figured that was the way it was done. Still don't understand why, unless it's to keep others from knowing what you paid for a knife, when you go to sell it.
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That's an interesting story, Jeff. I hadn't even considered that the price removal might be at the request of the buyer.

- GT
 
It is very interesting that some people who find price discussions "uninteresting" are so interested in prices being left up on the exchange.:)
I edit the price out of listings so that there is no question whether the knife has sold or not. I have put SOLD next to the price and still had people trying to claim the already sold knife. Also, it is really no ones business as to the details of a transaction between two individuals. I would rather not have all those details on display for anyone and everyone. I will continue to edit prices out of my listings for those reasons.
I have had more than one person PM me to ask what something sold for because they have one similar, and in every instance I have shared the price with them. So prices are easily researched with just a little effort.

I agree with the values that have been discussed concerning the 2 winterbottom knives shown.:thumbsup:
 
Nice pair of knives, valuations seem accurate, and for the record I find it helpful to know what current pricing is, though I haven’t, obviously, used the exchange, as I prefer to deal with those I “know” directly from this forum. supratentorial supratentorial -Jake a fascinating read, thanks for the link! I will mention that in the Tom Krein FB group I belong to, Tom just asked that prices be left up for research purposes. This makes sense to me, especially if someone is in 5K Qs 5K Qs position, where they are unfamiliar with what a particular pattern, frame, or brand is going for monetarily. I’m often one such myself, and I then find myself bothering others to try and figure out what is fair when buying/selling a particular piece. Maybe it is better in Levine’s forum, idk. I do know I rarely if ever visit that sub though. It shouldn’t detract from what we’re here for, but there are so many experts on the various brands, that it seems silly not to be able to ask such simple questions. No offense intended waynorth waynorth , you are honestly one of the main reasons I frequent this area so much.;):D You’re allowed to be grouchy, just like all of us. We still love and respect you Sir:)
Thanks, Neal
PS-$.02, YMMV.
 
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I also remember a time when a forum member purchased a TC barlow for a 'ridiculous' amount, because he wanted to gift it to another forum member. Later, the same forum member had to come explain "why someone would pay so much for a knife" when questioned by a different member. That is another reason NOT to leave the price up. It is no ones business why or who will pay what price. People have different reasons for things they do. Again, no ones business except the involved parties. I have payed more for certain knives than I would like to admit in public, and I respect others privacy in that regard.
 
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I was told "Queen Steel" mark is 440C, a P meant D2, ATS34 is what it is and no marking is 420HC. That's all pre-Daniels, i.e. the Ontario days. If it's a well made almost brand new knife, $50 each is a good price.
 
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According to AAPK, Queen/S&M began using both D2 and 420HC in 2002. Prior to that their stainless steel was probably either 440C or 440A, but I've never seen definitive proof of either one.
 
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