Need help to choose my first Busse!

I'm a bit confused with the number of existing versions for NO and SH and would appreciate you opinion on models, coating, length, handle material, etc.
Thank you.
The most recent release of the Steel Heart (SH) series was the Anniversary Steel Heart (ASH-1) in 2007, which was in commemoration of the release of the original SH-1. As far as I know it came in three varieties from the shop:
1. ASH-1 CG - Combat Grade, meaning coated, 6.5" long, .32" thick FFG (Full Flat Ground) blade. A beast for sure.
2. LE - Satin blade, same shape, grind and blade length, .22" thick with an LE number stamped on it.
3. Skinny ASH CG (I think it came after the first two, not sure when) - .187" thick, same shape, grind and blade length.
The one that I have is one that came from a show, I assume, and tapers between .235 and .2" thick (.22" at the ricasso, possibly a one-off?). It really does have the perfect balance. For your purposes, I would get an ASH-1 LE, skinny ASH, or a slightly thicker CG variant like mine.
SHs before the ASHs include: FSH (Fusion SH,) HOG FSH (Heavy Ordinance Grade FSH,) MOASH (Mother of All SHs,) ZT SH, SH E(rgo), SH SH (Straight Handled SH) and the previously mention SH-1. The SH SH came in three different varieties, one with a different steel, one with INFI, and the BB SH SH (BB meaning Birds Beak which refers to the shape of the pommel.)

The most recent blade offering of the Natural Outlaw series was the Special Forces Natural Outlaw (SFNO) LE (2009). Before that was the NMSFNO (2008.) NM stands for Nuclear Meltdown, which is a treatment done to the blade where the exposed portions of the blade, minus the cutting edge of course, get blasted with ball-bearings, making the otherwise pointy edges rounded. In my experience, it adds a lot to the comfort of the blade when choking up on the spine or using the choil. The NMSFNO sports an 8.5" long convex beveled blade and is .25" thick. It came in both a CG and LE variety, the LE being satin, convex edged and stamped with a number (seeing a pattern here?) Before that was the SFNO (2004): 7" long, .22" thick FFG CG blade. I have seen satin SFNOs, but I'm not sure if that was an option through the store, or from a show or ganza. Many Hogs cried out for an SFNO LE model, and Busse listened by delivering one some 5 years later in 2009. The SFNO LE has a 7" long, .22" thick sabre ground blade, and came standard with fancy hand-sanded/shaped micarta. There were only 300 of them made and they were sold on BladeForums in a Ganza only to Hogs. The one I posted above has hand-sanded canvas tigerhide micarta slabs. Before the SFNO came the ZT NO and the NO-E. Again, I don't know the details/dates.

Many CG blades from Busse come with the option for a Double Cut Bead Blasted (DCBB) finish. From my understanding, the blade is blasted with sand or other granular media, leaving the blade with a non-glossy finish. I don't have any DCBB blades, so I can't comment on the integrity of the finish. I personally would take full satin or coated over DCBB for personal aesthetic reasons. Also, from what I've seen, DCBB blades get INFI dimples if not properly taken care of faster than a satin blade. I could be way off base here.

As far as handle options, it varies from blade to blade. Paper micarta is more true to color and keeps it better, while canvas micarta shows stains from oil, blood, etc. Canvas micarta can be washed very easily, however, so don't let the aforementioned staining deter you. I believe canvas micarta has proven to be more bomb-proof, figuratively speaking, than paper. Some blades came with linen micarta as well, but I don't have experience with it. I personally prefer canvas over paper because it has variations in color and pattern and think that use and staining only makes it look better, but you can't go wrong with either of them. Standard slabs are machined, but some blades came with an option for hand-sanded micarta, but I'm not sure which (see the difference above in my picture.) G-10 is also an option for most Busse blades, either in one single color, or multiple colors combined. You seem like you've done your homework and have experience with knives, so I won't go into the specifics of G-10.

The Basic line, Scrapyard Knives, and some earlier Swamp Rats come with Resiprene-C handles. Res-C is rubber-based and is impermeable to water, oil, some chemicals and does not lose it's resilience at temperature extremes. In my opinion it is great for large choppers for its ability to dampen the vibrations and make for a more comfortable chopping experience (just my experience/opinion.) It also lightens the blade quite a bit because there is less steel underneath the handle, unlike the G-10 and micarta blades that have exposed tangs. It really is the best rubberized knife handle material out there and you really can't go wrong with it. Don't get me wrong, I love my SY blades and Res-C is great, but out of all the handle materials I prefer canvas micarta. Check out this link for more info on Res-C: http://www.scrapyardknives.com/tech.htm

Check out http://Bussecollector.com for info on the predecessors of the SFNO, ASH, and many other Busse blades. You can also find more precise specs and if you click on the links of the knife name, there is usually a picture.

As far as why satin costs a whole lot more, it usually comes with an LE number and it takes extra man hours to finish. I just reread LVCs post on the matter. He nailed it.

If I've posted any misinformation, please feel free to call me out. I am just a little piglet myself who has been snatching up as much Busse & kin as I can over the last several months.

Best of luck choosing your first blade.
 
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Get in on the Basic 6 for sure, that will make a great small to medium blade. That will be coming soon but how soon is unknown. I ordered a Boss Jack and it got here quick. so if you need it sooner and want something other than satin/res-c go ahead and order the exact combo you want. Very cool to get it custom made.
Then hit the exchange on the hunt for a FBM of some sort or a Basic 11 if you can find one.

Be certain to hit the Good, Bad and UGLY section of this site to see the feedback a person has before agreeing to a deal. Don't just go by the score Itrader gives them, GBU is where you learn a lot.

Busse-kin fans are an awesome group of guys and in my short time here I have witnessed some truly kind acts by some of these hogs.

Welcome to the addiction.
 
I would think if hunting and skinning is the primary objective, The CABS,or Muk in Busse/ Swamprat HRLM* or RMD in Bussekin line. If you think you need to chop/baton/abuse something but still be able to have a adequate skinner the Busse BATAC might fill the bill for you although, the HRLM and RMD can certainly take a lot of abuse from the pics I have seen from some member's on the forum. I am thinking in terms of what is available as some design's are very hard to find and are cost prohibitive. My experience and opinion is limited to what I personally own and am trying to be helpful.
 
To order the B6, follow the instructions in this thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/869241-GO.-.-.-.-GO.-.-.-.-GO.-.-.-.-Basic-6-LE-GanzaaaaaRammmmaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Or like Rob Stanley said, give them a ring. I am pretty sure the 10 days are up, but it's definitely worth a shot. I personally prefer Micarta on medium sized fixed blades and Res-C on choppers, but I have no doubt that the B6 will be an excellent knife. Plus you get the bonus of it being light, satin, and with a convex zero edge.

Actually, THIS is the link to the thread with the procedure on how to place an order...Read it carefully and follow the directions if you decide to order this. I guess you could also call...and the very lovely ladies (Amy or Lexi) in the CS Dept. will steer you in the right direction. :thumbup:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/868391-Basic-6-LE-GanzaaaaaaaRammmmaaaaaaa.-.-.-.-.-.-This-Thursday-7-28-2011

...And in it, Jerry states,
Jerry Busse said:
The Busse Combat Basic 6 LE will only be offered for 10 work days after the The Basic 6 LE GanzaaaRammaaa begins. (Until 8-11-11).
...snip

Good Hunting! :)
 
The most recent release of the Steel Heart (SH) series was the Anniversary Steel Heart (ASH-1) in 2007, which was in commemoration of the release of the original SH-1. As far as I know it came in three varieties from the shop:...

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What a great, informative post. Thanks for taking the time to do this... likely benefits lots of folks, such as myself!
 
What a great, informative post. Thanks for taking the time to do this... likely benefits lots of folks, such as myself!
Not a problem. I had to occupy myself on the T to work somehow :D. I just hope I didn't give any misinformation. I've frequented bussecollector and hogcult enough to know everything there is to know about the knives I own. They are both definitely great resources for anyone with questions about a model. I'm glad I could be of some use around here. I usually am the one asking for answers.

OP, have you decided on what you're going to get as your first Busse?
 
The satin blades are more expensive because they are more labor intensive than the coated knives. With powder coating you can hang 200 knives and spray them all at once, one man for 200 finishes. With satin every knife has to be hand finished and has to look good to boot. That's 200 tasks vs. 1.

This list goes from heavy chopper to lighter agile (I'm sure I'm missing some)

HOGFSH
FSH
NMSFNO
SAR8
sarsquatch
SFNO
DSF
BOSS jack proto
BOSS jack cg
BOSS jack le
Basic 7
Basic 6

and then into the smaller sizes.


The most important question before choosing or getting advice is this: what do you plan on doing with it, and are you going to be carrying other knives?

-If you intend on carrying a smaller knife like a CABS, the HOGFSH is awesome, one of the best medium length choppers I've ever handled. But it's heavy.
-If you intend on carrying only 1 knife and don't want to carry anything else, either the DSF or BOSS jack proto. You'll get a similar amount of edge if you get the choiless version, but both are slim and agile for what they can accomplish. However, they aren't going to be the best at felling tree's.
-If you care about weight, the basic 7 or the new (and cheaper) basic 6 are awesome. I'd go with the basic 7 because it's got a smaller choil, but it's hard to get and expensive.
-If you are going to carry a really small knife like a leatherman and want something that leans more towards chopping but is still smallish - the SAR8 or SFNO are excellent choices.

The options change drastically with what you want the knife to do, what other knives you'll be carrying, and how important weight is.

Listen to this.

Well, I rather like RedBear's advice, too. BUT ... as usual, LVC provides an exhaustive and very helpful post, complete with sound reasoning.

Don't ask me. I started small and now I'm buried under an INFI-mine.

ADDED: Good Heavens! Not only ONE great post, but TWO. ESEEStatic -- great job, sir.
 
Like everyone else said, I would get a Basic 6, if you still can. If not, these are my favorite mid-sized Busses:
1. Skinny ASH (mine is .22, so more mid-sized than skinny)
2. SFNO LE
3. NMSFNO

The Boss Jack is also pretty great, but I personally prefer a blade with more belly in that size range, hence the ASH being in the top three and not the BJ. As far as sharpening convex, there are plenty of great tutorials on the web. I still am horrible at it, so for now I'm keeping most of my blades with a V-edge. When I get better at it, I'll most likely convex my keepers.

The SFNO LE is the best feeling blade I've held/owned. The ASH has incredible balance, feels great in hand and has a great blade shape, and the NMSFNO is a jack of all trades. If you get an NMSFNO or SFNO LE, I'd recommend getting a smaller, 3.5"-4" blade to accompany it. Maybe a MUK, Boss Street, CABS or Swamp Rat Rodent Solution (I own one, and it is pretty awesome.) The Skinny ASH would be great for your purposes, IMO. Keep a watch out on the exchange as there may just be a couple of these blades coming available some time soon, :D. best of luck in your searches, and welcome to the chaos!
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I like SFNO LE very much! Thank you for taking the time and providing all the great info!
 
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I had the same dilemma and went with the NMSFNO. However, I easily could have gone with SFNO and been pleased as well.
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Thank you everyone for the answers and great information. Basic 6 LE was ordered today! :)
 
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Thank you everyone for the answers and great information. Basic 6 LE was ordered today! :)
 
Thanks for the info ESEEStatic and LVC!
Certainly helped me get to know the infi out there better...
 
Now since I'm waiting for the new Basic 6 I have tarted thinking about sheaths. Can I order kydex sheath somewhere now?
 
What is happening to me? I haven't receive my first Busse knife yet, but already ordered a second one - Boss Jack CG!
Am I infected?
 
Now since I'm waiting for the new Basic 6 I have tarted thinking about sheaths. Can I order kydex sheath somewhere now?

No, you'll have to wait until the kydex makers receive their B6s. Once they ship, you'll see sheaths pop up on the exchange a couple days after receiving.

What is happening to me? I haven't receive my first Busse knife yet, but already ordered a second one - Boss Jack CG!
Am I infected?

Yup, you're infected. We need to take you back behind the barn and put you down. Your wallet will thank us :D ;)
 
1. Don't ask me. I started small and now I'm buried under an INFI-mine.

2. ADDED: Good Heavens! Not only ONE great post, but TWO. ESEEStatic -- great job, sir.
1. I fear my future is going to be much like yours. I think I'm in double digits now, and with all the new releases coming!!! I'm praying for that promotion I was promised 6 months ago.

2. Thank you very much, that means a lot coming from you. I'm surprised nobody has corrected me on anything. I wrote that all underground on the subway, so there's bound to be mistakes.
 
Be certain to hit the Good, Bad and UGLY section of this site to see the feedback a person has before agreeing to a deal. Don't just go by the score Itrader gives them, GBU is where you learn a lot.
Busse-kin fans are an awesome group of guys and in my short time here I have witnessed some truly kind acts by some of these hogs.

Great advice:thumbup:
 
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