need some help guys

Horned Toad said:
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wish i could agree with you on that
my mother did all she could to help me i just had some problems till the school had me do some IQ testing
it seemed that me spelling was holding me back as was the fact that once i did something i didnt think i needed to do it over and over
they did put me in classes more geared to my learning and i ended up doing well for myself
the big problem now is at 27 i still dont have a high school spelling level (makes me not look to smart around here typing) but i am getting better
sometimes you just have to make someone learn things they dont want to in a different way but all and all that still gets the job done
visionsect pls thank your wife for not just tring to push kids through and finding ways to make them think/learn there needs to be more teachers like that
not to leave the parents out of this i do think most of them have droped the ball on raising there kids and that is just sad
butch
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This hits home for me too. butcher block- I actually failed 7th grade for the simple reason that I was not interested in the material and was bored. They tested me then too. I tested out rather high. I found out later that the school board and all my teachers and principal had a meeting about what to do with me. That was the year I was first interested in steel myself. This kid and the others need all the encouagement we can give him. I would suggest a trip to the library to read material relevant to working with metal. A visit by a tool maker machinist or others in the field to the classroom may serve to encourage these young minds. For me seeing my first piece of cable damascus was enough. I thought to myself " i can do better than that" it was several years, but I suceeded.
good luck
Del
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I wish that I would have payed more attention during math class. I have learned more math and geomotry since I started welding, woodworking, and now knife making than I can possibly imagine. I also took a drafting / tech ed. class my 8th and 9th grade year. I learned more from that class than I did in my math and science class. If anyone can build something without using math and geometry I would like to see it, becuase I think I would have to call them a liar. Just toss them a mesuring tape or a ruler and have them figure out the center of a board and that it is going to be cut with a table saw that has a 3/32" kerf. Keep in mind that the peices need to be identical and you only get one try at it. Here goes the old addage of Mesure twice cut once. HEHE... Unfortunately when I went through high school I had several teachers that did care to teach. They would walk into class and say open your book to page 50 and do the problems through page 55 and they are due by the end of class. These kids just don't appreciate the fact that they have a teacher that is willing to help them and give it all it takes. I grew up in a family of teachers and who ever says teaching is an 8am - 3pm job is a liar, many times I cooked dinner for the entire family and we would eat around 8 or 9 pm because my mom had to stay late and do lesson plans, or to prepare for the next day. Any way I am probably getting on my soap box, but the point being is that math and science is DEFINATELY needed in working with tools weather it be woodworking, metal working or any structural work.
 
7 th grade must be the year i had to take summer school to get to 8 th
8th is when i had 23 Fs on the report card they didnt test me till late that year i passed do to my scoring on the IQ test
high school was a hole new beast but it was to be my best years for schooling now mind you i read all i can get my hands on about all manner of things got to love the internet for that lots of info out there
butch
 
Man...you all have been so helpful. My wife is grateful to each and every one of you who has posted here. Even the posts with humorous sayings have added something significant to the mix. A lot of these sayings really would have an impact on this age group. For example, the "picking up cans for change", or the "Would you like fries with that", are actually sayings of truth. I have people in my own family who do such things for some form of income.

Again, my wife is grateful to you all, and I am as well. I am also a teacher and have many of the same students she has. I teach art. I have been trained in Graphic Design, Advertising, and studio art. If there is anyone out there who is familiar with these fields then you will also know the math that is used in the subject matter. I will do my best to present several ways for them to see how important "learning" is period. You all are wonderful -Damion
 
They like to work with metal, let them make what they want to make, then an introduction to the experimental method to evaluate the quality of their labor kind of forces some use of math. He physics instructor introduced me to the docterine of component forces and from then on it was a runaway.
 
visionsect said:
Hey everyone. I need a little help here. My wife is teaching 8th grade science and math. She has one student who just refuses to do any work in the class at all because he thinks he will, to put it in his own words "work with metal", and doesn't need to know any science or math for that kind of work. Now there are many other students who have this same attitude and want to enter the same line of work. So...can any of you kind knife-makers and metal workers provide me with some information to provide my wife, so that she could present this info to the kids to disprove their claims? They need to see that they do indeed need science and math.

Just some info. or procedures on when and where you cats apply this form of knowledge...thanks a bunch -Damion
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Don't try to change his mind, The world needs gas station attendants too!
 
I've been thinking about this post most of the day off and on. I'm working on building a hydrolic press and I never realy gave it much thought how often I measure or figure something while working on it till now. From the milling machine to the welder I've lost track of how many times I used boring math to get the job done rite. I won't even get into figureing structural loads. I can eyeball pretty close, but tape measures and calipers don't lie, and can be the differance between "it works" and "why don't it work?" Heres an idea, get them to design something as a practicle aplication of math, something simple like a steel storage chest, and have them give actual measurements.
 
I am an architectural sheetmetal worker and I would like to one day without having to use math or some sort of applied science. I wish I could go back in time knowing what I know now. I would study a lot harder so that I would be the person working inside in the winter and hot summers. Scot
 
send him down to my shop. i will throw him a set of prints in metric to build mining equipment or put him on a non cnc mill and let him trig out a bolt circle.

my welding tests include a 5 page test with 35 math questions and 5 trig equations. i make my living with steel from .5 to 7" thick have him come see me

john
 
Damion, firstly, you are a good man to come here seeking help for your wife and the boy.
As for your wife, there must be a special place in Heaven for the modern day teacher. I would not do this job for all the money in the world. The way kids are allowed to treat teachers nowadays is just disgusting.

I am a tool and die maker. I did not want to learn math and science when I was at school (long, long ago, in a place far, far away....:D )
I was not the studious type so I figured I would do a trade. In S.A. there was a mentality that if little Johnny is as dumb as a brick then let him do a trade...
Ha! I need math and science every day in my job and I have learned that the hard way.
Tell that boy that there are few things as mortifying as having to ask your sons to explain basic math to you or asking a collegue to do a simple trig. calculation so you can do your job. This is an inspiration to learn, I assure you. I have eaten large slices of humble pie and I have learned what I need to know now.
My math teacher tried everything he could to get me to learn this stuff, he has long since passed on but sometimes I see him in my minds eye and even though he was a gentleman I am sure he would have winked today and asked me if I would like some ketchup with my next serving of crow!!

Do whatever you must to get some sense into the kids head, I hope he is not as obstinate as I was back then, then your wife has a real battle on her hands....:D

Mike
 
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