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Need to buy a conceled carry pistol
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I don't own a handgun right now, but I grew up shooting them (my uncle was the live-in caretaker/manager of a sportsman's club and range and I spent some time in the military). When I get a hankerin' to bust a few caps I just head over to Wade's Eastside Gunshop after work and rent one. I don't get to take it home, but they clean it 
Anyway, on several occasions, me and/or a buddy have picked up one of Wade's Glocks (or one of his Browning Hi Powers) and shot better than the guy in the next lane with the fancy range bag full of his own guns (I'm thinking of one guy in particular with a couple 1911s who could not keep it in the black
). I attribute this more to the Glock's and Hi Power's design and ammunition (9mm or .40) than to my skills or my buddy's. I also LOVE the HK P7. I've never seen a rental at Wade's, but a buddy of mine used to have one and I could shoot that pretty well, too. Great natural grip angle and trigger. Still, if I had to carry concealed everyday, I'd carry a Glock 19 or 23.
Anyway, on several occasions, me and/or a buddy have picked up one of Wade's Glocks (or one of his Browning Hi Powers) and shot better than the guy in the next lane with the fancy range bag full of his own guns (I'm thinking of one guy in particular with a couple 1911s who could not keep it in the black
). I attribute this more to the Glock's and Hi Power's design and ammunition (9mm or .40) than to my skills or my buddy's. I also LOVE the HK P7. I've never seen a rental at Wade's, but a buddy of mine used to have one and I could shoot that pretty well, too. Great natural grip angle and trigger. Still, if I had to carry concealed everyday, I'd carry a Glock 19 or 23.- Joined
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I've had a Kel-Tec P-11 for 3 years now and found it a nice little gun. Helluva trigger pull, but I like that in a defense pistol.
You are not going to accidentally pull teh trigger on this thing.
Inexpensive and I've had no problems with it.
You are not going to accidentally pull teh trigger on this thing.
Inexpensive and I've had no problems with it.
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Leather as mentioned by others is super important for several reasons
1) one handed re-holstering
2) fit of firearm/
You will spend about $100 for a quality holster and over $50 for a good belt (meant for carrying a firearm). Both should last you years. I feel that both are very important. Many will buy a good holster but will spend little on belts (including me until this year).
What do I carry?
Glock 30 90% of the time because
1) Super easy to conceal with IWB holster.
2) After getting use to I almost don't feel it.
2) 10 rounds of .45
Para-Ordnance LDA 7.45 (full-size 1911). I would carry it more but it is a bit much in weight for wearing all day long. Even when I am carrying the Glock 30 I the Para is not far behind. I outfitted it with a Crimson Trace laser and when Crimson Trace offers one for the Glock 30 it will have one too.
Why use a laser?
1) Intimidation factor
2) Good for shooting behind cover.
When practicing I usually shoot about 300 rounds a session, only 20 rounds are devoted to working with the laser.
Concerning the Glock 26, this is a super gun!!! I own one and love it dearly but love the Glock 30 a bit more. If you happen to select the Glock 26 get the magazine extension.
Best advise for picking up a firearm for you, suck up all the information presented here for starters. Then go out and find a store were you can rent pistols for use at the stores range and test them out. For caliber stay in the range of law enforcement i.e. 9mm, 38, 40 and 45.
PS Check out Kramer holsters they are great. I have one for my Glock 30 and Para-Ordnance and plan to get one of thier pocket Glock 26 holsters.
1) one handed re-holstering
2) fit of firearm/
You will spend about $100 for a quality holster and over $50 for a good belt (meant for carrying a firearm). Both should last you years. I feel that both are very important. Many will buy a good holster but will spend little on belts (including me until this year).
What do I carry?
Glock 30 90% of the time because
1) Super easy to conceal with IWB holster.
2) After getting use to I almost don't feel it.
2) 10 rounds of .45
Para-Ordnance LDA 7.45 (full-size 1911). I would carry it more but it is a bit much in weight for wearing all day long. Even when I am carrying the Glock 30 I the Para is not far behind. I outfitted it with a Crimson Trace laser and when Crimson Trace offers one for the Glock 30 it will have one too.
Why use a laser?
1) Intimidation factor
2) Good for shooting behind cover.
When practicing I usually shoot about 300 rounds a session, only 20 rounds are devoted to working with the laser.
Concerning the Glock 26, this is a super gun!!! I own one and love it dearly but love the Glock 30 a bit more. If you happen to select the Glock 26 get the magazine extension.
Best advise for picking up a firearm for you, suck up all the information presented here for starters. Then go out and find a store were you can rent pistols for use at the stores range and test them out. For caliber stay in the range of law enforcement i.e. 9mm, 38, 40 and 45.
PS Check out Kramer holsters they are great. I have one for my Glock 30 and Para-Ordnance and plan to get one of thier pocket Glock 26 holsters.
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Glock Ka-Booms (kB!) are real.
However, keep in mind Ka-Booms can/will happen with handguns of all types--SIGs, 1911's, HK's, CZ's, S&W revolvers, etc.--given the correct set of rare circumstances (i.e. negligent maintenance, faulty/defective ammo/reloads, obstructed bore, discharge out-of-battery, etc.). It seems Glock kB!'s currently get alot more press--plus there happen to be ALOT more Glocks out there in the hands of Private Owners and LEO's.
The reasons for Glock kB!'s are multiple: usually traced back to faulty/defective ammo and/or shooting lead (big no-no) through the polygonal barrels--occasionally the unsupported chamber is a contributing factor. The documented occurences seem to be most often encountered in the .40S&W and .45ACP models--though other calibers are known to have experienced catastropic failures also.
My advice: Don't shoot lead in your Glock polygonal barrel. (Note: If you must shoot lead, get an aftermarket conventionally-rifled barrel.) Keep you barrel clean and free of all obstructions, shoot factory FMJ or trusted FMJ-reloads, and you will not have any worries.
Obviously, the extremely rare occurrence of a kB! has not kept Glock from dominating the LEO market in the US; nor has it deterred the FBI, DEA, or a dozen other large Federal Agencies from issuing them as standard sidearm; nor has it harmed their sales on the commercial market.
However, keep in mind Ka-Booms can/will happen with handguns of all types--SIGs, 1911's, HK's, CZ's, S&W revolvers, etc.--given the correct set of rare circumstances (i.e. negligent maintenance, faulty/defective ammo/reloads, obstructed bore, discharge out-of-battery, etc.). It seems Glock kB!'s currently get alot more press--plus there happen to be ALOT more Glocks out there in the hands of Private Owners and LEO's.
The reasons for Glock kB!'s are multiple: usually traced back to faulty/defective ammo and/or shooting lead (big no-no) through the polygonal barrels--occasionally the unsupported chamber is a contributing factor. The documented occurences seem to be most often encountered in the .40S&W and .45ACP models--though other calibers are known to have experienced catastropic failures also.
My advice: Don't shoot lead in your Glock polygonal barrel. (Note: If you must shoot lead, get an aftermarket conventionally-rifled barrel.) Keep you barrel clean and free of all obstructions, shoot factory FMJ or trusted FMJ-reloads, and you will not have any worries.
Obviously, the extremely rare occurrence of a kB! has not kept Glock from dominating the LEO market in the US; nor has it deterred the FBI, DEA, or a dozen other large Federal Agencies from issuing them as standard sidearm; nor has it harmed their sales on the commercial market.
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Another possible cause is bullet setback.
Every time a round is chambered from the magazine, its ride up the feed ramp exerts force pushing the bullet back into the case. In loads like the .40S&W, only a small increase in setback can dramatically increase chamber pressure.
So, user error is probably a cause of a number of these failures, as people repeatedly strip the same round off the top of the magazine into the chamber, and each time they clear and then re-load the pistol. The fix is not to keep the same round on the top of the magazine each time.
Is it possible that Glocks are more prone to this because of the design of their feed ramp? Even though it is a case of user error, that might explain why Glocks seem to be more prone to this particular problem.
--JB
Every time a round is chambered from the magazine, its ride up the feed ramp exerts force pushing the bullet back into the case. In loads like the .40S&W, only a small increase in setback can dramatically increase chamber pressure.
So, user error is probably a cause of a number of these failures, as people repeatedly strip the same round off the top of the magazine into the chamber, and each time they clear and then re-load the pistol. The fix is not to keep the same round on the top of the magazine each time.
Is it possible that Glocks are more prone to this because of the design of their feed ramp? Even though it is a case of user error, that might explain why Glocks seem to be more prone to this particular problem.
--JB
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If I may say just this about .40 Glocks.
It is as far as I know not a problem, but there has been talk of Glock .40 'Kabooms'. Supposedly the fact that .40 is a pretty high pressure round, and in the Glock much of the lower case is unsupported has resulted in a fair number of blow-ups.
I do know that one should never shoot non jacketed lead in a Glock due to the rifling in the stock barrel.
Changing to an aftermarket barrel (Barstow for example) takes away all the above problems/restrictions.
Hope this was a tiny bit of help.
Joe Shmoe
It is as far as I know not a problem, but there has been talk of Glock .40 'Kabooms'. Supposedly the fact that .40 is a pretty high pressure round, and in the Glock much of the lower case is unsupported has resulted in a fair number of blow-ups.
I do know that one should never shoot non jacketed lead in a Glock due to the rifling in the stock barrel.
Changing to an aftermarket barrel (Barstow for example) takes away all the above problems/restrictions.
Hope this was a tiny bit of help.
Joe Shmoe
A friend had a Glock 30 'explode' on him. As close as he (licensed FFL & gunsmith) and Glock could tell, it was due to a raised primer causing it to fire out of battery. Real low chance of this happening.
The pertinent part of this is, he suffered no significant injury.
The frame was cracked, yes. The $19 mag was trashed, never to work again. But his fingers were and still are all there. No blood drawn. No visible bruising...a few days later he admitted that it hurt a little bit, but was more pissed that a new gun was back to the factory for repairs.
Anyhow, as guncollector said kB!'s happen to all guns. Having seen a few others & their aftermath, if you pay attention to what you are doing as you should when dealing with firearms, you will not have a problem. That is, unless you're the type of person who gets hit by lightning twice in one week.
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If you want the power of a .45 and the reliability of the glock and concealibility is your first concern, you might want to check out the new Glock 36. 6+1 of .45acp. I have a G19 and my next purchase is going to be a 36. The numbers 21 and 3 are popular in the police community because someone can travel 21 feet in under 3 seconds and that is usually the standard time to draw and acquire your target. you will also most likely fire less than 3 rounds in a distance under 3 feet. The .45 is a great caliber to simply drop an attacker if the situation called for it. The G36 has a slim handle unlike the 21 or 30 and is more easily concealed. Check it out.
Kev
Kev