Need to know some knife laws

R.W.Clark: You said, "However, in the city of Los Angeles it is violation of the cities municiple code to carry any knife or dagger with a blade longer than 3" in plain view. This makes all fixed blades illegal inside the city limits of LA".

(1) Now I know you said the city of L.A. but does that same rule apply to all of L.A. county? Just double checking.

(2) So if the length of the blade is under 3" then it is legal to carry in plain view in L.A.? Just curious.

I am a teacher in Los Angeles and from what I understand we are NEVER permitted to have a knife on a k-12 campus. I don't. No problem there. But there are times when I use a small/medium fixed blade while working on home improvement projects, going hiking, or fishing. None of which are in L.A. city but usually in L.A. county. Am I violating a code here?

Most of the time I just carry a folder to avoid the hassles.

Thanks.
 
Here are the two laws in question. The important sections are in blue.



626.10. (a) Any person, except a duly appointed peace officer as
defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in this
state, a person summoned by any officer to assist in making arrests
or preserving the peace while the person is actually engaged in
assisting any officer, or a member of the military forces of this
state or the United States who is engaged in the performance of his
or her duties, who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick,
knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches, folding knife with a
blade that locks into place, a razor with an unguarded blade
, a
taser, or a stun gun, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 244.5,
any instrument that expels a metallic projectile such as a BB or a
pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or spring
action, or any spot marker gun, upon the grounds of, or within, any
public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any
of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, is guilty of a public offense,
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year,
or by imprisonment in the state prison.
(b) Any person, except a duly appointed peace officer as defined
in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a
full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal
government who is carrying out official duties while in this state, a
person summoned by any officer to assist in making arrests or
preserving the peace while the person is actually engaged in
assisting any officer, or a member of the military forces of this
state or the United States who is engaged in the performance of his
or her duties, who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick, or
knife having a fixed blade longer than 21/2 inches upon the grounds
of, or within, any private university, the University of California,
the California State University, or the California Community Colleges
is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a
county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment in the state
prison.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply to any person who brings
or possesses a knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches or a
razor with an unguarded blade upon the grounds of, or within, a
public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any
of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or any private university, state
university, or community college at the direction of a faculty member
of the private university, state university, or community college,
or a certificated or classified employee of the school for use in a
private university, state university, community college, or
school-sponsored activity or class.
(d) Subdivisions (a) and (b) do not apply to any person who brings
or possesses an ice pick, a knife having a blade longer than 21/2
inches, or a razor with an unguarded blade upon the grounds of, or
within, a public or private school providing instruction in
kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or any private
university, state university, or community college for a lawful
purpose within the scope of the person's employment.
(e) Subdivision (b) does not apply to any person who brings or
possesses an ice pick or a knife having a fixed blade longer than
21/2 inches upon the grounds of, or within, any private university,
state university, or community college for lawful use in or around a
residence or residential facility located upon those grounds or for
lawful use in food preparation or consumption.
(f) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any person who brings an
instrument that expels a metallic projectile such as a BB or a
pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or spring
action, or any spot marker gun upon the grounds of, or within, a
public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any
of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, if the person has the written
permission of the school principal or his or her designee.
(g) Any certificated or classified employee or school peace
officer of a public or private school providing instruction in
kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, may seize any of
the weapons described in subdivision (a), and any certificated or
classified employee or school peace officer of any private
university, state university, or community college may seize any of
the weapons described in subdivision (b), from the possession of any
person upon the grounds of, or within, the school if he or she knows,
or has reasonable cause to know, the person is prohibited from
bringing or possessing the weapon upon the grounds of, or within, the
school.
(h) As used in this section, "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife or
other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready
use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or
death
.

And

SEC. 55.10. CARRY KNIVES OR DAGGERS IN PLAIN VIEW PROHIBITED.
(Added by Ord. No. 162,995, Eff. 1/7/88.)

(a) As used in this section, the term knife or dagger shall include any knife, dirk or dagger having a blade 3 inches or more in length, any ice pick or similar sharp tool, any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle.

(b) No person shall wear or carry in plain view any knife or dagger upon any public street or other public place or in any place open to the public.

(c) The prohibitions of this section shall not apply where a person is wearing or carrying a knife or dagger for use in a lawful occupation, for lawful recreational purposes, or as a recognized religious practice, or while the person is traveling to or returning from participation in such activity.

So this is what I believe it to all mean.

This is a city code and only applies to the City Of Los Angeles, it does not apply to the county.

You may openly carry any knife (legal under 653k) in plain view so long as the blade is under 3".
You may conceal any folder (legal under 653k) reguardless of blade size.
If in some valid activity (such as hiking, mountian biking, preforming historical re-inactments etal) you may legally carry an exposed knife larger than the 3" blade limit. Just keep in mind that it will be up to you to explain what this "legal activity" is if LAPD or LASO stops you.

As for on school carry. Every school now has their own rules on this subject, however this is what CA law says on the subject.

who brings or possesses any dirk, dagger, ice pick,
knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches, folding knife with a
blade that locks into place, a razor with an unguarded blade
,

That is for k-12 schools.

So long as you are not carrying a knife that falls under 653k, and it is not a "dirk or dagger", has a blade under 2.5" and that it does not lock into the open position. So friction folders and slipjoints are what you are left with.

Now working on home improvements is also a new story. IF you are on private property that you own or legally live at, all rules go away. You can carry balisongs, switchblades, gravity knives or even a battle axe if you wish. The moment your toe touches public property however, you go back to standard rules of law.

BTW. Case law has ruled that Leatherman type multi tools are counted as having a locking blade, and are therefore a no no on school grounds.
 
Soon the governments will remove all our rights to defend our homes, families, and our lifes. We will be at the mercy of criminals that do not follow the laws. I think that every American has a right to defend themselves regardless of where they're at with a firearm or a knife. It's stupid not to. Alot of these laws are crazy and do not prevent crimes. I am blown away by the stupid laws that are passed everyday. Where do these people come from, because they lack common sense.

Don't say to me wait for LEO to come and stop the crime. Because by the time they even arrive, the crime is already over. "Just in time to clean up the mess." I am not going to stand by and let someone commit a felony against my family. Because I know the lawmakers don't care about the people who are hurt by the senseless laws.
 
We are not talking about should be or common sense. These laws are in place, that is a fact. You can either learn exactly how they work and what they mean so that you can work inside their restraints or you can land yourself in jail.
 
I have seen many times that LEO overstep their authority and abuse their power. All I am saying that we need to be watchers over our government. All to easily can we become subjects instead of citizens.
 
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