"NEPAL Fights Uphill Battle Against Caste Cruelty -- OneWorld, UK"

All our kamis and sarkis fit into the untouchable caste and you've heard me preach about the injustice. It is utterly disgusting.
 
I'm wondering.

Do the rebels come from the 'untouchable' caste
Or
are they mostly from 'middle' castes?

I'd suspect the latter.
 
Rebels leaders in most countries historicaly are usualy educated, which untouchables are not, But most revolutions aim to abolish the class system.

Uneducated people often follow the "if it was good enough for my father, its good enough for I" type of dictum.Unless some one points out the possibility of change.Unfortuanatly this can also be miss used.

I am not a Moaist, & I am sure they will bring many of their own evils , But a country based on a heriditary class system,where 20% of people are effectivly slaves, run by corrupt & greedy goverment & Royal family, who infoce thier rule by military & police violence needs a radical change IMO.

The brave & aggresive young men who used to try & improve thier lot in life by joining the British Gurkhas, will today try & improve their lot by joining the rebels.

Spiral
 
"But a country based on a heriditary class system,where 20% of people are effectivly slaves, run by corrupt & greedy goverment & Royal family, who infoce thier rule by military & police violence needs a radical change IMO."

These are the things which fuel the Maoists who will bring their own brand of misery should they gain power which might possibly be worse.
 
I am sure history will prove you right Uncle, as I said I am sure they will bring their own evils.

Both sides are the extremes,Royalist or military Dictatorship or Moaist military Dictatorship.

The people who truly belive in free education & medical aid for all, irrespective of wheather someones father was a manuel worker{untouchable} probably,wont be able to effect the change, because they are nice people.{& the police or military would crush or imprison them}

Its a terrible shame that it raely is a choice of "frying pan or fire" The injustice makes me despair.

I have No answears only questians.

Hopefully The Nepalese people will one day get the country they deserve.

Regards,
Jonathan :(
 
Originally posted by spiraltwista
...Uneducated people often follow the "if it was good enough for my father, its good enough for I" type of dictum.Unless some one points out the possibility of change.Unfortuanatly this can also be miss used.....
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actually phrase should be '...it's good enough for me' (not 'for I')

(sorry, linguistic nitpicking here :rolleyes: :o )


ON the main point though, the Royal Family has done some good for Nepal at various points in time, as Royalty often does actually. For me, I am rather socialist (not Maoist or Communist) in outlook, but I still find that Monarchs provide a good balance of power in gov't (if they are not absolute).
 
"ON the main point though, the Royal Family has done some good for Nepal at various points in time, as Royalty often does actually. For me, I am rather socialist (not Maoist or Communist) in outlook, but I still find that Monarchs provide a good balance of power in gov't (if they are not absolute"

I am sure they have, but they also maintain the system that we all seem to dislike. I belive Royalty have many uses , Power over others due to birthright fully supports the class or caste system though.

"actually phrase should be '...it's good enough for me' (not 'for I')"

The farm laboures sons I went to school with used to end the expresion with I, But then they were not educated as well as yourself Ben! ;)

Spiral
 
Originally posted by spiraltwista
"actually phrase should be '...it's good enough for me' (not 'for I')"

The farm laboures sons I went to school with used to end the expresion with I, But then they were not educated as well as yourself Ben! ;)
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Ah, so it is a dialectic feature! That's different then. I thought you were using 'I' as a hypercorrection (hypercorrections are using some form in inappropriate contexts, like saying *'Whom said it?' for 'Who said it?').

What is the area where you grew up? If you don't mind my asking, as I am always interested in dialectic differences.


Originally posted by spiraltwista "ON the main point though, the Royal Family has done some good for Nepal at various points in time, as Royalty often does actually. For me, I am rather socialist (not Maoist or Communist) in outlook, but I still find that Monarchs provide a good balance of power in gov't (if they are not absolute"

I am sure they have, but they also maintain the system that we all seem to dislike. I belive Royalty have many uses , Power over others due to birthright fully supports the class or caste system though.
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I'm not sure. I see what you mean, and perhaps you're right. But India has the same sorts of problems with the caste system, and no monarchy (and is theoretically a fully secular state). (In fact, the first 'affirmative action' measures were taken in India, not the USA or elsewhere, in that a large percentage of seats in the Parliament, and a large percentage (I think about 40%) of civil service jobs are reserved for 'untouchables').

In the 1950s the ancestor of the present king actually lead the 'democratic' movement which removed the hereditary family of Rana Prime Ministers from power, so that's why I say that the Nepali Royals have many positive attributes too.

BUt, in general, lower & working class people tend to like monarchies, and feel that a Monarch 'looks after them' in a way that Prime Ministers or Presidents don't. I believe this is probably still true even in the UK.

But, in any case, as far as I can tell for the Maoists, their idea of government would be one of much more absolute control than the present government, and would probably benefit a smaller percentage of the population than the present government too.


I agree with you and Uncle Bill and others about the undesirability of the caste system, especially this idea of 'untouchability' (the basic caste divisions bother me less than 'untouchability' in particular).
 
I ran into an elderly black man in the local market some time back and he was extremely polite and deferential. That really bothered me the longer I thought about it.

If he was acting like that cause he was an old man trying to get into heaven, that's fine with me. No problem at all. ( Maybe he could give Uncle Bill a few pointers. :D )

Unfortunately, I suspect he was enough older enough than me that he might have come from the south and learned that was how you acted around whites in his youth and continued it into today. That literally made me feel sick to my stomach. And that happened out here in the Nevada west.

The brutality described in Nepal by the upper castes toward the untouchables would seem to me to guarantee the high caste brute's reincarnation as a maggot! :mad:

But then what do I know about the situation? Faugh!
 
Originally posted by Rusty
he was extremely polite and deferential. That really bothered me the longer I thought about it.
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Seen that several times.
Felt the same way.
My limited experience always older black men.
When I think about it I want to go back & say,
"Hey! Stop that! What are you doing?"
Things are changing.
Things will change.
 
Thanks, Dean. I appreciate hearing that someone else picked up on the same thing.
 
Thought provoking stuff and thanks.

A BENEVOLENT absolute monarch can get more good done in a week than the best democrazy in the world can get done in a year -- problem is greed and power come into play.
 
Originally posted by spiraltwista
Dean if you had followed the "stop! What are you doing" type of routine, that would have put the fellow back in the position he grew up in, Another white man telling him what to do & how to behave.{IMHO}
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Excellent point I had not considered.

I was more concerned about not embarassing him.

Is there something to say to make the point without
"telling him" or giving a speech?
 
Originally posted by Rusty
I ran into an elderly black man in the local market some time back and he was extremely polite and deferential.

That really bothered me the longer I thought about it.

If he was acting like that cause he was an old man trying to get into heaven, that's fine with me. No problem at all.

Unfortunately, I suspect he was enough older enough than me that he might have come from the south and learned that was how you acted around whites in his youth and continued it into today.

That literally made me feel sick to my stomach.

And that happened out here in the Nevada west.
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You can meet a lot of elderly ndns that act the same way. Mostly I find it refreshing that someone has remembered their manner's and chose not to buy into the social more's of today's world.
I can remember when most people acted politely. Most of the elderly ndns, probably like most of the elderly black people, haven't anything to prove anymore.
Hopefully I will get more polite and deferential the older I get.:)
Perhaps if I can ever get out of the mindset that I'm a virile 40 year old trapped in an old and decrepit body I might be successful.:D
I was told by an elder Medicine Man once that a man didn't grow up until he was 60. That was three years ago for me, almost four and I'm still waiting.:rolleyes: ;)
 
Originally posted by Yvsa
can remember when most people acted politely.
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True.

I think both Rusty & I are thinking of something that
goes beyond proper politeness, courtesy, & deference;
into an improper subservience.
 
Originally posted by Rusty
I ran into an elderly black man in the local market some time back and he was extremely polite and deferential. That really bothered me ...
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Doesn't bother me. As a believer in the equality of mankind, I appreciate that type of behavior regardless of from whom it comes or what motivates it.

If somebody want's to stand aside and let me go first, I won't hesitate to step right up.
 
Originally posted by spiraltwista
Hopefully The Nepalese people will one day get the country they deserve.
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They already have it. Every country has the government they deserve, including the U.S. If anyone deserved any better they would realize it, unite, and rise up and overthrow their oppressors. Until they do that, they deserve whatever they get.
 
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