New Adai/Reate knife. What is the original, please tell me!

biaoge123 said:
Sorry,I just started my own project and my focus is on the knife fans in my own country.
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How is the market in China for high end knives? Is there a lot of demand for new designs with high-end materials? Is the market growing? What type of social media do you use to advertise and find new customers?
 
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Sorry,all,like the moditation said,here is not a place to talk about business,so I can't disclose more detail.
What I can tell you is this one is not a copy,it's well built knife,thank you all
 
I just got the zt0999 clone and 2x D.O.C clones... as presents... They are what you would expect a 100$+ knife to be... Very smooth. only one issue I have is the detent is to lite, si you need a little wrist. My equivalent priced CRKT eraser is about the same size and with a harder detent flips quite readily.
 
youssefa said:
I just got the zt0999 clone and 2x D.O.C clones... as presents... They are what you would expect a 100$+ knife to be... Very smooth. only one issue I have is the detent is to lite, si you need a little wrist. My equivalent priced CRKT eraser is about the same size and with a harder detent flips quite readily.
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I picked up a "ZT0999" because I wanted an EDC knife like my ZT0454, but with a blade under 4" to abide by Missouri state law. I gotta say, for $140, I am more than pleased...S35VN, Carbon Fiber, and Ti. I bought a ZT0454 for $500, and I'd happily pay $250-300 for a ZT version of that model (3.5" blade in S35VN), but they don't make such a beast.

Just because the Chinese can and have made cheap garbage (usually at the behest of greedy corporations like Wal-Mart and the like), it doesn't mean there aren't some real, died in the wool, knife nuts over there turning out some incredible knives. I have a collection full of Strider, CRK, Zero Tolerance, and Benchmade, but I'll tell you right now, my Kizer knives are the smoothest I own, and every one of them has been centered and solid as a rock.

Most of us have homes full of Chinese made electronics and all kinds of other stuff - I understand why the knife world hates clones, but I think it's highly prejudicial to conclude something is of poor quality solely based on where it was made, or by whom.

What they don't have on American knife makers is the practical ability to support/re-sharpen knives like domestic companies do - and that alone will keep the US makers in business.

I'd like to have a real Shirogorov, but I'm not about to pay $800-1,000 for a knife that goes for $250-300 where it's made.
 
knifehoarder said:
I picked up a "ZT0999" because I wanted an EDC knife like my ZT0454, but with a blade under 4" to abide by Missouri state law. I gotta say, for $140, I am more than pleased...S35VN, Carbon Fiber, and Ti. I bought a ZT0454 for $500, and I'd happily pay $250-300 for a ZT version of that model (3.5" blade in S35VN), but they don't make such a beast.

Just because the Chinese can and have made cheap garbage (usually at the behest of greedy corporations like Wal-Mart and the like), it doesn't mean there aren't some real, died in the wool, knife nuts over there turning out some incredible knives. I have a collection full of Strider, CRK, Zero Tolerance, and Benchmade, but I'll tell you right now, my Kizer knives are the smoothest I own, and every one of them has been centered and solid as a rock.

Most of us have homes full of Chinese made electronics and all kinds of other stuff - I understand why the knife world hates clones, but I think it's highly prejudicial to conclude something is of poor quality solely based on where it was made, or by whom.

What they don't have on American knife makers is the practical ability to support/re-sharpen knives like domestic companies do - and that alone will keep the US makers in business.

I'd like to have a real Shirogorov, but I'm not about to pay $800-1,000 for a knife that goes for $250-300 where it's made.
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I am very happy to see someone who has actually seen one of the better made chinese knives out there and isnt just flat out calling it crap. China right now IMHO is the new japan. They are starting to find themselves design wise but the quality has come leaps and bounds in just a few short years. It pains me to say this but the main reason I have stopped posting here is because I have stopped collecting USA made knives and most of my collection now is not welcome to be shared or discussed. In the last 10 years I have been let down by nearly every USA made knife I have purchased. It either had a mechanical malfunction or severe finish flaw which at the prices I was paying was simply ridiculous. And when I would mention an issue to a maker they either didnt have parts to fix it or in the case of cosmetic issues I was told my expectations were too high. So a knife I spent $360 for should have scratches, gaps in the inlay, and a blade so off center that its a nut hair away from rubbing and the thing is riding on what should a a self centering bearing system if machined properly? Ill be sure to remember that when i use a knife without those issues that cost me 1/4 of the price made from the same materials. Every knife I own right now sans a Kimura are all produced in china.

Honestly I think the reason china gets this reputation for bad quality is because people are basing it on the factory knives being sold under USA made companies namesake. The thing that I dont think people consider is that its not that china cant or wont make a good knife and with top of the line materials. Its that when a company gos to china to have knives made with its name quality and top of the line materials are not what they are going after. They are trying to offer a budget line. Its how cheap can you make this and still attain this bare minimal quality standard? Its not that they wont or even cant make a product as good or better than the USA counterpart but its simply not what they are being hired to do. And if you think about it its a pretty good disguise. If USA knife manufacturers utilize Chinese manufacturing and intentionally keep the quality below a certain level it gives the impression that that is what china makes and that is the cost of of saving money. It creates the false impression that if you want quality you have to keep buying made in USA and if you buy chinese then something has to suffer. Then all you have to do is toss your fanboys a few free knives here and there to keep the online praise coming and you have the market cornered. Maybe chinese quality cant be had with a big name attached but when you buy a chinese knife direct from the makers not doing factory work the results are astounding. I think the time to buy a chinese custom is now. Right as they are breaking into the scene with their own designs. I predict in 4-5 years there wont be the price gap we are seeing these days.
 
The thing with these new "high quality" Chinese knives is that you have no idea who is making them and if the materials are what they say they are.
Its nice to be able to go to a knife show and interact with the makers of the knives you use. Chinese makers and manufacturers don't seem to be
part of the knife community here in the US. And I haven't seen any official tests done to prove the materials are what is being claimed. Are these
manufacturers really importing expensive US made steel. Wish someone who has the ability to do these test would find out and see.
 
reapinItUP said:
The thing with these new "high quality" Chinese knives is that you have no idea who is making them and if the materials are what they say they are.
Its nice to be able to go to a knife show and interact with the makers of the knives you use. Chinese makers and manufacturers don't seem to be
part of the knife community here in the US. And I haven't seen any official tests done to prove the materials are what is being claimed. Are these
manufacturers really importing expensive US made steel. Wish someone who has the ability to do these test would find out and see.
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Well both kizer and reate as far as I know are participating in shot show and blade. Both have a dealer presence in the United states and claim to use high end materials. Most dealers carrying these knives do their homework and wouldnt carry these products if they werent legit. It just not good for business. As for proof there was an individual who lives in russia who has had a few chinese knives tested and the conclusion was the knife being sold as S35VN was in fact made from it. And the carbon fiber I have seen is top notch. Better than anything I have got on a USA production knife in the $300-500 range. Now any proof that a chinese maker shows will be refuted by naysayers. Think about it. If Reate were to post test data showing they had the steel tested people would say that they only made 1 knife out of it and the rest is pot metal. If they posted a third party test people would say they are being paid. The only other thing I can say is that I have never once in my life seen a single USA based company provide or even be asked to provide proof that they are utilizing the materials they claim to be using. Even when reports come in from a large number of people claiming performance issues. Its all taken on faith. Ask any high end USA production facility to prove to you that they use s35vn and let me know how it goes. And then if you do get any proof tell me it its anything that cant be faked. The point is that if you dig you will find the proof you are asking for but even if it was laid out for you on a silver platter there will always be angles to play to refute it if you dont want to believe it. I can tell you this. I have several chinese knives marked S30V and S35VN. They all perform superbly. And I have yet to have any issues. IMHO people are having a hard time with "china" With good reason I suppose. But honestly? There has been just as much lying, cheating stealing and law breaking by USA based manufacturers and dealers. And absolutely no one offers proof of anything. And so far I have been given no reason to doubt the claims made on the knives I have purchased. I cant say the same for some of my past USA purchases.
 
reapinItUP said:
The thing with these new "high quality" Chinese knives is that you have no idea who is making them and if the materials are what they say they are.
Its nice to be able to go to a knife show and interact with the makers of the knives you use. Chinese makers and manufacturers don't seem to be
part of the knife community here in the US. And I haven't seen any official tests done to prove the materials are what is being claimed. Are these
manufacturers really importing expensive US made steel. Wish someone who has the ability to do these test would find out and see.
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I've seen actual invoices for Crucible S35VN bought in New York by Chinese factories. I've also seen photos of sheets of steel sitting in Chinese factories with Crucible's markings all over it.

The direct Spyderco bootleg copies I've seen say they have the 204 carpenter steel, but I would assume that's only because it's a bootleg knife made with the sole purpose of scamming people. The knives we're talking about aren't the same thing and I think that's a point often overlooked.

I see no reason why Adai and Dicoria (makers of quality Shirogorov style knives) would sell fake S35VN when they also offer 9cr18mov versions for roughly half the money. If they're going to scam people, why not call one S90V and the other S35VN? Also - S35VN isn't necessarily expensive steel...you're talking a few bucks per blade more than S30V (why I wonder why S30V is still around).

I actually have some Chinese knives made with S35VN (made in the USA by Crucible)...Kizer, Adai, and Dicoria specifically, and I have Sebenzas. A handful of them. The Chinese knives with S35VN hold an edge and sharpen just like the S35VN in my Sebenzas.

Hate to say it, but China has access to some nice machinery and they're not afraid to buy good steel from anywhere in the world. It's no longer 1982...they're making good stuff. Where they fall short, and always will, is the ability to provide timely warranty repair.

BTW - I also saw Adai is making some knives with Damasteel (nice, usable Swedish Damascus) and one look at those tells you it's legit Damasteel (if you're not familiar, it's good looking stuff and nothing else looks quite like it).
 
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Id like to clear up something in this thread: This is a direct quote from David from Reate knives via Instagram

Reate Knives Inc Official Statement Dear all, please be noted that “Reateknives” is the only official name for Reate Knives Inc in Instagram. We were questioned by people about the relationship with Adaiknives because there is account named“Adaiknives”claiming that they are "Reateknives" and his name is also"David Deng". Please be noted that “David Deng” is NOT me. I, David Deng, only set up “Reateknives” in Instagram. Here we declare that Reateknives has nothing to do with Adaiknives. "Adaiknives" used photos from Reateknives without our permission and spreads slanders, we will reserve the right to claim our loss and reputation damage by legal way! Reate knives Inc - David Deng 2014-11-19
 
biaoge123 said:
Sorry,I just started my own project and my focus is on the knife fans in my own country.
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This is what I've been waiting to hear for a long time on a thread about a Chinese knife. Because ,contrary to popular beliefs, with this mind set no matter where something is made it will be great.
 
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